Remember the 22 word statement about #AI and human extinction & such? Its originator, the founder of, wait for it, the center for AI "Safety" says

"Natural selection disfavors individuals who stop caring about acquiring more resources and expanding their influence. The individuals who always want more are selected for."

Yea what we need to do is "build bridges" and "talk it out" with these people 🙄 next day after the "statements" he joins Elmo's grift, XAI or whatever bullshit its called.

@timnitGebru there are people out there who are like "omg AI will decide humans are irrelevant just like in sci-fi movies and we'll be doomed!”

no you idiots, HUMANS will decide SOME OTHER HUMANS WHO AREN'T THEM are irrelevant and we'll be doomed (just like keeps happening over and over in history unfortunately)

@timnitGebru wtf kind of fortune cookie, getting high in the freshman dorms bullshit is this guy. I would be mortified to say something so facile in public.
@timnitGebru There's saying the quiet part out loud, and then there's publicly and performatively mansplaining to one of their peers that they're not being eugenicist enough.

@captaincalliope @timnitGebru

well said. And as typical for mansplainers, his statement is laughably wrong anyway.

Any sane person can see the planet is being quite clear about the viability of domination based "leadership." I mean in a few generations, far less than even a small blip in geological time, these dudebros with their incredibly stunted mindsets have put the species and many others on the fast track to extinction.

@timnitGebru Just the worst fucking people.

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His statement isn't even true.

@NikaShilobod proper alt-text (made on mobile), you can copy and paste it into your picture's caption:

Capitalists: Capitalism is the best system because it works by the laws of nature. Darwin! Natural selection! Only the strong survive!

Kropotkin: Actually, Darwin pointed out that in numberless animal societies, the struggle between separate individuals for the means of existence disappears, that struggle is replaced by co-operation

@NikaShilobod and how that substitution results in the development of intellectual and moral faculties which secure to the species the best conditions for survival.

Capitalists: No

Darwin: Yes

@NikaShilobod @timnitGebru Yes, it's always social darwinism, eugenics and the same evergreen bullshit to keep their boot on the neck of the poor.

@timnitGebru "For with those animals which were benefited by living in close association, the individuals which took the greatest pleasure in society would best escape various dangers; while those that cared least for their comrades and lived solitary would perish in greater numbers."

---Charles Darwin, The Descent of Man (1871), chapter 3

@timnitGebru It's not often I can say this, but I literally wrote a PhD thesis on That Guy Is a Fucking Shitwit-ology.

https://arxiv.org/abs/1509.02958

Multiscale Structure in Eco-Evolutionary Dynamics

In a complex system, the individual components are neither so tightly coupled or correlated that they can all be treated as a single unit, nor so uncorrelated that they can be approximated as independent entities. Instead, patterns of interdependency lead to structure at multiple scales of organization. Evolution excels at producing such complex structures. In turn, the existence of these complex interrelationships within a biological system affects the evolutionary dynamics of that system. I present a mathematical formalism for multiscale structure, grounded in information theory, which makes these intuitions quantitative, and I show how dynamics defined in terms of population genetics or evolutionary game theory can lead to multiscale organization. For complex systems, "more is different," and I address this from several perspectives. Spatial host--consumer models demonstrate the importance of the structures which can arise due to dynamical pattern formation. Evolutionary game theory reveals the novel effects which can result from multiplayer games, nonlinear payoffs and ecological stochasticity. Replicator dynamics in an environment with mesoscale structure relates to generalized conditionalization rules in probability theory. The idea of natural selection "acting at multiple levels" has been mathematized in a variety of ways, not all of which are equivalent. We will face down the confusion, using the experience developed over the course of this thesis to clarify the situation.

arXiv.org
@bstacey @timnitGebru yeah, I was going to say, this is scientifically provably false, but a lot of bs mathematicians (incl a Harvard Epstein pal) made even smart educated people believe this naive interpretation. evolution is a perpetuation machine, and cooperation and stability absolutely help with perpetuation. there are no single-gene organisms; selection trains cooperation skills even if genes want only their own best outcomes. same goes for shareholders really, btw. no money if no planet.
@bstacey yes but that’s also the same book in which Darwin talks about why women are stupid because they have smaller brains than men. Not to mention on his “origin of species…and survival of the favored races” book which no one ever says the full name of where he talks about how the western civilizations of Europe will exterminate the “savage” people around the world due to natural selection.

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Isn't that just a fancy way of saying "greed is good?" Just gross.

@timnitGebru You know one good way of reducing societal conflict and increasing abundance at the same time?!

Taxing bitcoin grifters.

@timnitGebru those people are straight up sociopaths

@timnitGebru "Abundance becomes scarcity reliably. Natural selection disfavors individuals who stop caring about acquiring more resources and expanding their influence. The individuals who always want more are selected for. That's why many individuals will still conflict over resources."

"Sir, this is a Wendy's."

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Besides a total misuse of "natural selection"...... that fuckwad.

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Sam and Dan are naive. Both would benefit from an internship with Fthr Greg Boyle at Homeboy Industries in LA. If they can divest of their cultural comfort zones, i.e. privilege.
@timnitGebru He's going to use AI to boil that down to 14 words
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I've been watching a friend's baby quail. When I feed them, certain quail push all the rest of the birds out of the way, to gorge on the food and get HUGE, blocking the smaller and less aggressive quail who continually fight for what little they can get. Reminds me of every day in the US, as those who feel the need to take far more than their share, consider it a positive trait to let others suffer without (but go on and on about bootstraps, blaming others for being stepped on).

@timnitGebru id tweet this at him but im banned from twitter because i posted a Inglorious Basterds gif in reply to a nazi:

The lesson of all human history is this: share your shit, or die alone, hungry, and cold.

@timnitGebru "Ownership" and exploitation of resources for a singular owner's gain is a recent invention, one achieved and maintained through violence.
@timnitGebru as if the world isn't littered with the ruins of city-states that expanded beyond their capacity to support themselves.
@timnitGebru One thing that really infuriates me about these guys is how they amble through life like no one else ever thought of a damn thing before. Full blown adults out there doing bad spark notes utilitarianism with their genius caps on.
@timnitGebru the problem with the idea of pausing AI research means some group/country out there won’t pause. Nobody gets that this is an arms race. The people that don’t pause are going to win exponentially. It’s the devil we know, humans, that we should be afraid of first and foremost with AI. Terminators and Skynet are much further in the future than Russian retribution through AI weapons pulling the plug on the West.

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natural selection is considerably more picky, survivors may need to shift modes periodically.
believers in magical humanity are the most dangerous.

@timnitGebru once again, generational wealth corporate dweeb misunderstand Darwin. It never was "survival of the fittest" just "survival of the fit". We wouldn't have been "fit" if we never formed tribes, never hunted larger animals that could easily kill an individual. Without selecting for cooperation, the industrial revolution never happens, they don't have generational wealth to insist that hoarding is the natural selection. Every good thing we do gets tainted by under-evolved individuals who choose to manipulate other's sense of cooperation to their advantage.
@timnitGebru Disgusting eugenicist pieces of shit.

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It is amazing how fast some people can completely lose touch with reality.

They never heard of Upton Sinclair.

@timnitGebru that ignores other aspects of natural selection such as other groups and individuals who attack the greedy butts for trying to greed too hard. The animal kingdom isn't powered entirely by greed.
@timnitGebru These are the words of an apologist.
@timnitGebru BOLLOCKS does it. Natural selection favors those who help those around them and make their group stronger and more likely to survive.

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This is what TruthGPT really is about: normalizing and organizing old-fashioned White Supremacy, Jim Crow segregation, and Social Darwinism based on White Christian Nationalism.

This is no slip up on MusKKKrat's part; this is and was his plan from the very beginning.

@timnitGebru

i stopped reading at:

""Natural selection disfavors individuals"

this is EUGENICS. this is FASCISM trying pass as objective & neutral science.

there is no reason to engage this ghoul beyond that first paragraph.

in a capitalist oligarchy ran by kleptocrats, there is no such thing as "natural selection". what we do have is what i read Robert Jay Clifton once describe as bureaucratic murder.

these ghouls are using the excuse of AI to cover their crimes of genocide

@blogdiva @timnitGebru "Abundance becomes scarcity reliably" what does this even mean?
@timnitGebru I scanned his dissertation couldn't get into all of it b/c I'm not a CS. It did give me the vibe that he took a bunch of ML reliability work he'd done and decided to wrap a few pages of discussion of ethics around it to give it a theme.
Maybe I don't get how CS PhD programs work, but l would think he would have at least defined machine learning and not just started using the initialism AI in the middle of the paper with no introduction. https://www2.eecs.berkeley.edu/Pubs/TechRpts/2022/EECS-2022-133.pdf

@timnitGebru “Natural selection” and “survival of the fittest” have become the rallying cry of the sociopath

It is also plain bullshit what he says. Evolution works as well at group and species level as individual, I can’t even be bothered to list sharing behaviours in animals (including human)

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Natural selection disfavors INDIVIDUALS.
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The individuals who always want more are selected for EXCLUSION FROM THE COMMUNITY AND GENE POOL.
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That's why while many individuals will conflict over resources, the vast majority will conform to societal norms of conflict resolution to avoid being removed from the gene pool (ie executed, imprisoned, banished or ostrasized).
@timnitGebru As a Biologist: I am abso-fucking-lutely enraged by motherfucking glorified programmers thinking they know anything about Natural Selection and Evolution and their Social Darwinist bullshit.
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I’ll say it again for the jumped-up coders who think they’re brilliant in any field: the thing that wants to grow forever is cancer. Capitalism is a cancer.