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Jon Winston

@ploum What do you think of Chromium browsers like Brave?

@jwinstonsf @ploum brave is a platform to push ponzicoins

@jwinstonsf @ploum @ubergeek But it's pretty much our last option. Mozilla is almost dead. Safari is macOS / Apple exclusive. We're fucked.

@cameronbosch @jwinstonsf @ploum it's not an option, and as long as Firefox is FLOSS, it's not dead.

@jwinstonsf @ploum @ubergeek Does Firefox have PWA support? SSB support? Did it not have issues with the Debian community that caused it to be forked? Did they almost let Thunderbird rot? And did the executives not act like a$$holes when confronted about their unpopular changes?

No.
No. (they killed it).
Yes.
Yes.
And f**k yes.

@cameronbosch @jwinstonsf @ploum I don't worry about PWAs too much, and yes, Debian required a rebuilt one without proprietary trademarks...

@jwinstonsf @ploum @ubergeek That's how I work... It's more of a "focus" thing.

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@ubergeek @cameronbosch @jwinstonsf @ploum you may not worry about PWAs but others do.

Mozilla is asleep at the wheel.

I badly WANT to love Firefox but dozens of silly little niggles add up to make it that little bit less pleasant and little bit less useful.

Now for those of us closer to the subject we can work with that. But to “win” we need the masses who just want a browser to work & be “comfortable”. Mozilla needs to do better to actually achieve their stated aims.

@wiredfire @ubergeek @jwinstonsf @ploum Bingo. All of these "little" missing features add up to make a browser that I actively try to avoid. And it's a shame too, because with better leadership, this could have all been avoided.

@jwinstonsf @ploum @ubergeek And has anybody successfully hard forked Firefox long-term? I don't think so. If anything, Firefox dying might finally get more people upset and get Google declared a monopoly and FINALLY something might happen.

@cameronbosch @jwinstonsf @ploum I'm waterfox and have been for a bit... Seems like forking has gone well.

@jwinstonsf @ploum @ubergeek I'm trying Librewolf for a bit; not impressed so far...

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@cameronbosch

Mozilla is a billion-dollar org (and growing). They blame Firefox's sliding market share on platform lock-in, and I think they're right. They are still making an excellent browser and are the only major browser committed to ditching adtech entirely. The B browser has already tried underhanded tactics to trick users into their bait-and-switch adtech scheme; avoid.

Julien Colomb Dec 7, 2023

@cameronbosch @jwinstonsf @ploum @ubergeek is not brave based on chromium, which would mean it does not prevent google supremacy over the web?

If we talk about the masses, we do not know what pwa or ssb is, so...

@jcolomb @jwinstonsf @ploum @ubergeek That's just one problem they face. And given even Safari on macOS added support for PWA/SSB in macOS Sonoma, Firefox is literally dragging their feet on multiple issues, not just this one.

Tom Husband Dec 11, 2023

@ubergeek @jwinstonsf @ploum
But not if you opt out of that stuff, right?

@jwinstonsf @ploum Still would not help, we need to keep firefox alive so that chromium does not become default web standard ! Then they can push any crap and we have to follow it !

@jwinstonsf @ploum @Jungekatz I think we're too late...

@cameronbosch @jwinstonsf @ploum the good thing about the world is things keep changing ! I hope they do change for the good ! Big corps are controlling our lives way too much !

@jwinstonsf @ploum @Jungekatz Our only option is to pressure politicians at this point to break up Alphabet/Google. There's nothing else we can do.

They almost broke up Microsoft in the 1990s; it's only because we let them get away with it that they didn't get broken up. We need to pressure every politician to break up big tech before this happens. Just "grinning and bearing it" by using a near dead browser that also isn't a good company is only going to drag it out.

@cameronbosch @jwinstonsf @ploum the worst part is these big corps are the ones who donate most for political campaigns and to the politicians , just to keep the power ! Reasons anti trust laws dont work or are bypassed ! The worst thing about browser situation is , so many chromium browsers exist that probably anti trust wont apply here ! Either the courts need to be smarter or we are doomed !

@jwinstonsf @ploum @Jungekatz Yep. We need to organize some sort of online or in-person protest so large it can't be ignored. Otherwise, it's going to be 1984 not in 1984.

@cameronbosch @jwinstonsf @ploum well there is a silver lining there , the govts around the world , ( EU, India , Australia) at least are realising that these mega corps are gaining too much or power and there is a clear tussle visible !! EU has been the most active one !!

@jwinstonsf @ploum @Jungekatz But the EU has been causing other problems like this: https://youtu.be/QK0rmOuzSVM?t=87

So it's too steps forward, two steps backward.

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@cameronbosch @jwinstonsf @ploum the politticos are stupid that way , hope someone tells them how foss works !

@jwinstonsf @ploum @Jungekatz Of course that happens when most of them are boomers. We need more gen x, y, & z in congress, particularly z.

@cameronbosch @jwinstonsf @ploum ngl i know stupid AF genZ too so idk !

chuang Jul 24, 2023

@jwinstonsf @ploum it may be a more private chrome, but still helping google hijack web standards because it's chromium

Jon Winston Jul 24, 2023

@chuang @ploum It filters out ads and AMP sites, the two Google things I dislike. Also you can turn off google services for push messaging, Google sign-in and a lot of other stuff I frankly don't understand..

I keep all of the crypto junk turned off.

Am I missing anything else?

I like being able to use Chrome extensions and have them sync across devices. I find Firefox to be a bit clunky but I haven't used it in a while so maybe its better these days.

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