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Jon Winston Jul 21, 2023

@ploum What do you think of Chromium browsers like Brave?

Ubergeek

@jwinstonsf @ploum brave is a platform to push ponzicoins

@jwinstonsf @ploum @ubergeek But it's pretty much our last option. Mozilla is almost dead. Safari is macOS / Apple exclusive. We're fucked.

Ubergeek Jul 23, 2023

@cameronbosch @jwinstonsf @ploum it's not an option, and as long as Firefox is FLOSS, it's not dead.

@jwinstonsf @ploum @ubergeek Does Firefox have PWA support? SSB support? Did it not have issues with the Debian community that caused it to be forked? Did they almost let Thunderbird rot? And did the executives not act like a$$holes when confronted about their unpopular changes?

No.
No. (they killed it).
Yes.
Yes.
And f**k yes.

Ubergeek Jul 23, 2023

@cameronbosch @jwinstonsf @ploum I don't worry about PWAs too much, and yes, Debian required a rebuilt one without proprietary trademarks...

@jwinstonsf @ploum @ubergeek That's how I work... It's more of a "focus" thing.

Wiredfire

Dec 7, 2023

@ubergeek @cameronbosch @jwinstonsf @ploum you may not worry about PWAs but others do.

Mozilla is asleep at the wheel.

I badly WANT to love Firefox but dozens of silly little niggles add up to make it that little bit less pleasant and little bit less useful.

Now for those of us closer to the subject we can work with that. But to “win” we need the masses who just want a browser to work & be “comfortable”. Mozilla needs to do better to actually achieve their stated aims.

Dec 7, 2023

@wiredfire @ubergeek @jwinstonsf @ploum Bingo. All of these "little" missing features add up to make a browser that I actively try to avoid. And it's a shame too, because with better leadership, this could have all been avoided.

@jwinstonsf @ploum @ubergeek And has anybody successfully hard forked Firefox long-term? I don't think so. If anything, Firefox dying might finally get more people upset and get Google declared a monopoly and FINALLY something might happen.

Ubergeek Jul 23, 2023

@cameronbosch @jwinstonsf @ploum I'm waterfox and have been for a bit... Seems like forking has gone well.

@jwinstonsf @ploum @ubergeek I'm trying Librewolf for a bit; not impressed so far...

Virtue signal 💉💉💉🇺🇸 🇺🇦Dec 6, 2023

@cameronbosch

Mozilla is a billion-dollar org (and growing). They blame Firefox's sliding market share on platform lock-in, and I think they're right. They are still making an excellent browser and are the only major browser committed to ditching adtech entirely. The B browser has already tried underhanded tactics to trick users into their bait-and-switch adtech scheme; avoid.

Julien Colomb Dec 7, 2023

@cameronbosch @jwinstonsf @ploum @ubergeek is not brave based on chromium, which would mean it does not prevent google supremacy over the web?

If we talk about the masses, we do not know what pwa or ssb is, so...

Dec 7, 2023

@jcolomb @jwinstonsf @ploum @ubergeek That's just one problem they face. And given even Safari on macOS added support for PWA/SSB in macOS Sonoma, Firefox is literally dragging their feet on multiple issues, not just this one.