htmx is cool and all, but returning HTML directly from a server? idk, sounds a bit experimental.

@mxbck hahahahahahahaha

….

hahahahahaha

@mxbck wait, I want to edit my reaction. It should now be 😭😭😭😭
@bastianallgeier i went trough the same emotions
@mxbck it’s so edgy we should give it a cool, catchy name, perhaps something from Greek mythology.
@mxbck @AliciaBytes I also read the other day that you can actually run javascript *directly in the browser* without a framework. Seems weird. /s
@mxbck Static web so hot right now
@odddev @mxbck worst thing is : there are people (often at tech events) patting each other on the back for using this "hot new tech" that is static web after spending years looking down at people that did not jump the framework/ssr bandwagon
@Julianoe @odddev @mxbck Any day now someone's going to replace a big complicated network protocol with something they call "direct parallel connection" or something and we can all dig out our "tech bros have reinvented the bus" memes again
@Julianoe @odddev @mxbck that is to say, there is hope that disabling JavaScript in the browser by default will some day not break most websites anymore? 🙏🏻
@mxbck something something webdev brainrot
@mxbck it’s too bleeding edge!
@mxbck This is the most astonishing thing I've ever read.
@mxbck that has to be a joke, right? It has to be.
@mxbck like and share is not enough. Need to add my constructive and eloquent: Loooool 🤣🤣🤣

@mxbck @heydon this is finally someone who *really* understands the concepts and strategies of serverless computing. Servers should just shut up and be pretty. Let the browsers do the REAL work.

https://tegelizr.nl/tegeltje/tais-toi-et-sois-belle-ma-petite-serveuse/

@mxbck oh my god

It's not even funny any more at this point, it's just sad.

@mxbck It’s just too…primitive!
@mxbck @grmpyprogrammer I hope they’re trolling and not serious.
@mxbck 42 year old php dev reading this like...
@mxbck Look, if it could just send JSON to a couple of megabytes of thread-blocking JavaScript

@mxbck

"Returning HTML from a server...."

To the best of my knowledge this has never been done before.

@mxbck

Just look what is happening with this thread. Returning hypermedia from trusted source (server itself) is such a novel idea for most, or everyone is just being sarcastic! It's hard to tell... 🤔

@mxbck just call it XML if that makes you feel better
@mxbck there was an opportunity to be kind here and blank out that person’s username.
@mxbck ARGGGGGGHHHHHHH. *takes a deep breath*
@mxbck The loop is almost complete.
@mxbck wow
I am still not so sure if we should have as much frontend js rendering as we do this days.
This whole old way of making html on server was so easier to understand ;-)
@mxbck Not sure if he's being ironic, just trolling or if he's one of these "JavaScript developers" who have no damn idea what a web server is…
@mxbck to me it was weird when everybody stopped doing so 😂
@mxbck Returning HTML directly from a server!? I've never seen this before. Who's the madmen that created this atrocity?
@mxbck
This "it needs to have an api anyway" thing is so hardwired into some people's head that it feels not like a joke or troll attempt to be honest 😢
@mxbck I think that comment summarises very good how many developers see web development these days. All frontend code with backends returning json all the time. Very sad.

@jorgealvarez @mxbck

I'm really confused as to why this is so novel to those who comment here. #JSON was not even a part of #REST: it is usually not *representing* anything and is *not* self-explanatory. Clients somehow have to catch up to API changes all the time, and backend can go chill??? This must be an obvious flaw with #JSONAPI.

And yet, the concept of #hypermedia responses, that #HTMX and #HATEOAS try to remind us of, seems alien to most. Oof, now that's the power of gaslighting in development circles! 

@mxbck @stilkov I have heard of a server that can actually do this already. How could they have known?🤷🏻‍♂️