cantankerous_cashewMac shipments grow 10%, as all major PC brands see downturns
Captain PoofterIs Mac better with Steam and games now? Or is this just all the college students buying macs to type papers on?
'M' as in 'MANCY'What an annoying comment. Plenty of people use Macs for professional or personal reasons who don’t find gaming to be a deciding factor in their purchase decisions.
zalackLike Abby creative ever. Gamers will disagree but I find Macs desktop UI much nicer than Windows.
The Wacom drivers are also MUCH better on Mac. It's hard to explain, but the stylus just doesn't feel as smooth on Windows. The response curve/time is just better, even with the same settings. Even things like native column view in finder is something I can't live without now.
Also, UNIX is nice if you're a developer but aren't fond of any of the Linux desktop environments.
I game on PC and deploy to Linux servers, but Mac is my daily driver for coding and video editing. It just gets out of my way and let's me be productive. I have to do way too much fiddling on Windows and PC for a desktop experience I like less.
What an annoying response. I asked about gaming specifically because I already know it’s the only thing holding back iOS. I’m fully aware iOS is capable of creative software and general use. You don’t need to start a circle jerk.
You’re the one that started off pegging all MacOS users as college kids writing papers in Starbucks. If you’re gonna be snarky then stick to your snark. No need to back peddle now.
I didn’t tag anyone as anything. Read it again. I asked if college kids buying laptops was what was driving the higher sales. But I get things can seem like it’s personal when you attach so much of your identity to a product.
Sure, Jan.
Ok boomer
What an annoying apple fan. Plenty of people use computers for gaming and not professional reasons
And I love that for you.
I mean it’s not worse than they were, but if you are buying a laptop just to play games it’s not really the platform for you.
I buy Macs to do work on, I think a lot of people continue to use them to do work on past college. Plenty of people also have consoles, so having a computer that can do both well isn’t even a priority for all gamers none the less the ton of people who don’t play AAA games.
I’m not interested in gaming laptops at all. I only mentioned laptops because those count as PCs as well so I was wondering if that’s what was driving the data.
Is Mac better with Steam and games now?
It could be soon. Apple just dropped their Game Porting Toolkit last month.
Interesting!! Thank so much for not responding like a fanboy. This is really interesting, and could be what theyve been looking for when it comes to games? 🤞
Would you blame them for wanting a good machine? I know Chromebooks are fine for papers and browsing but like budget windows computers, they’re built like shit.
roadkillSaying "Chromebooks are ... built like shit" is so incredibly reductive and disingenuous. Don't buy the cheapest and you won't have that problem.
Why is it that every time these threads come up, people compare $199 devices with $1999 Macbooks and expect their criticisms to be as if both were on equal footing?
Are there more expensive Chromebooks with better build quality?
My impression was that they pretty much only serve the ultra low end market?
There are Chromebooks that do approach 1000$.
To take a more luxury approach, Framework has a chromebook edition of their laptop, which has the same hardware except a different motherboard firmware as chromebooks require a titan chip onboard.
dontwakethetrees (she/her)Up until recently, and still applies to many, chromebooks had a rather short shelf life before “expiring”. You could buy a new Chrombook with like 2 or less years of support before it became e-waste. Like wouldn’t even support video streaming and no security updates.
Even on previous macOS versions they still receive security updates for a while as does Windows. Plus the lifespan is rather large with a 5-6yo intel Macbook receiving the upcoming OS release later this year.
Its not just a $199 vs $1999 laptop issue, its an ecosystem issue as well.
You’re right, they make premium ones too. I just started seeing these. Do you know if they offer more features other than build quality/screen quality/etc? I would imagine the Chromebooks would have battery life advantages at least over a windows PC equivalent.
Probably only due to a less bloated OS, as high and chromebooks run standard pc laptop parts. Would be similar to min maxing battery by optimizing a linux distro.
Comparing a Chromebook to a MacBook is simply unfair lol. Stahp.
You’re totally right. I was simply trying to make the point for using one over a chrome book considering the low impact work flow. I think there are some Chromebooks that cost as much as the MacBook Air? Who are those for?
I’m done with this entire conversation. Why did you get all the up votes, when I was totally right? Cuz this is a full on apple circle jerk, that’s why. ✌️
I’m sorry man, I really don’t like the way that happened. I was down for having a nice conversation about comparing the pros and cons of Mac OS, Crome OS, Windows, and other Linux Derivatives/Distros.
Thanks man, appreciate that. 🍻
ThekingoflordaMonthly reminder that computers can be used for something different than gaming.
Dude still thinks he’s on Reddit smh
I asked a question about Apple’s weakest aspect of their computer market, and the fanboys all piled on for a circle. But I’m the one stuck in Reddit? Get over yourself and go stand in line for an iPhone.
Friendly reminder that no one said they couldn’t 🤷♂️
Wanting to use it for gaming is totally valid though, in which case you should probably get a Windows machine
Flying SquidHello, this non-gaming, non-student who works in the design field uses a Mac every day, as do many of my colleagues.
Sorry. I forgot to include people running Adobe software in my summary.
Neither.
There’s a reason Apple reports “Shipments” instead of “Sales”.
In order to get the “honour” of selling apple crap, a retailer has to commit to a certain dollar value of inventory-on-hand.
If those units collect dust in that retailers back-room, Apple doesn’t give a shit. And it’s notoriously difficult to RMA unsold product to them.
Source: Previous Tech Sales Manager at Staples.
Since when is Apple selling computers through Staples?
They sell phones, tablets and watches at basically every electronics place.
Ok, but this is about computers, not phones, tablets and watches.
Up here in Canada, Staples has been dealing MacBooks since at least 2013 or so. (when I was there)
Interesting…
TPetrichorBeware the Mac simps. They’re a different breed, for sure
Dark_BladeThere’s a fuckton of in-between there lmao, people don’t just buy computers for gaming or typing papers.
All hail the UNIX and UNIX-like.
I just want Macs to get gaming support cause Native games ran really well on my MBA. Which was mindblowing, not having a fan and all.
It's not something is recommend if you are a big gamer. Windows is still king there. Linux is making a ton of progress but if you want a gaming machine do windows.
That said Macs with the new silicon and unified memory absolutely crush in a ton of areas. I run an AI job that takes 45s-120s on my Mac air m1 and 5m in my Nvidia gfx card and 10m-12m on my Ryzen cpu.
What ai stuff are you running on apple silicon where you’re seeing that much improvement? I’ve always been windows/linux but just recently switched over to a m2 MacBook Pro because I’m doing a lot of travel this year. Lugging around my 5900hx/rtx3070 just became too much of a pain in the ass with like 3 working hours of battery life. I was able to transfer most of my development/design workflow over (and the one I couldn’t works fine in W11 parallels) but I thought most of my AI stuff would just have to live on my desktop rig
I don’t see Chromebooks mentioned anywhere in here. I’d be curious how they’d compare. I know a have no intention on ever buying anything but a Chromebook again. I don’t need an expensive computer.
kaduIn the education market they absolute dominate, it’s not even a contest.
In home usage they’re pretty far behind.
Oh for sure. I mean, I work in education, but even if I didn’t, I’m pretty sure I’d only get them from now on. Just don’t have a use for high powered laptops.
Wallets are shrinking, so it makes sense that people would spend their money on something that's more likely to hold value, or last past 5 years of daily use. I got my M1 MacBook Pro for the same reasons.
Also PC companies are getting greedy as fuck and charging Apple prices while not delivering an Apple experience.
Sent from my iPhone, which I bought because Samsung decided to double their prices between the S9 and the S23, all the while expecting me to put up with the train wreck that is the Android app ecosystem.
Not to mention, battery life is INCREDIBLY good on Apple silicon. That, and it generally runs far cooler and quieter than earlier x86 MBPs.
Yeah, I was opposed to buying a Mac for ages because I could never justify $1000 on a Laptop, so I bought $600-800 laptops ever 3-4 years. But I’m at 3 years with my m1 MacBook Air and it works as well as the day I bought it, and still has 98% battery health. I don’t see myself buying another laptop for a looooooong time
Windows 11 malware/spyware likely has something to do with it too. Everyone I know that allowed Microsoft to upgrade their PC regrets it.
Would truly love to see it get Adobe Premiere support for the M1s. Still barely functions and I have an M1 max
Popped my Mac Cherry with an M2 earlier this year and I’m very happy with the purchase.
JuancarlosI switched just because of the difference the chipset makes. I’ve been running windows for gaming and Linux for personal shit forever - I’m not generally a fan of Apple and their walled garden business mod. But the MacBook pro with the m2 will run my dev environments and teams meetings from 8-5 all day on battery and still has a good 30-40% left at the end of the day. It’s not even competitive right now unfortunately, since I work remote I like to float around and work from different places and not having to worry about charging is a game changer.
harkArticle says it was because of supply constraints for Apple in 2022 that are now lessened in 2023. It’s also a lopsided comparison when Apple shipments are in the ~5 million range while the top PC brand shipments are 10+ million each. Regardless, I will say that PC hardware has been suffering from certain hardware companies keeping hardware prices way too high for too long, which would at least partially explain the supply glut (and thus the reduction in shipments as they have excess inventory).
Although I’m not a fan of Apple, I can see the value that is provided with the price tag, especially when PC brands aren’t offering a similar premium experience but want to charge similarly high prices.
When COVID happened we ordered a fuck ton of laptops so people could work from home. Now they all have laptops. We won’t buy PCS for a while. When we do they will not be macs.
PC hardware isn’t too expensive IMO. There are expensive and luxurious options, which are great to have. I very much enjoy using a $3500 Dell XPS laptop with a OLED screen and aluminum body. I don’t want the price to go down. Dell has $1000 Latitude laptops that have the same CPU and GPU in a chassis that fits a smaller budget.