John GruberJul 7, 2023
Welcome to the EU web:
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Show threadEugen Rochko
@gruber I feel like the problem is the tracking, rather than them needing to disclose it. Nobody is forcing them to include third party analytics!
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Show threadPaweł OrzechJul 7, 2023
@Gargron @gruber looks like John isn't really addressing real issues, he just likes to rant about EU politics and spill the ~bad takes~!
Show threadjoshhuntJul 7, 2023
@pawel @Gargron @gruber such is the life of a Secret Republican
Show threadPaweł OrzechJul 7, 2023
@joshhunt @Gargron @gruber makes perfect sense
Show threadLen WhittenJul 8, 2023
@joshhunt @pawel @Gargron @gruber libertarian?
Show threadjoshhuntJul 8, 2023
@LenW given his other pretty strong anti-worker opinions, thats not the label i would use.
Show threadKen Kinder Jul 7, 2023

@pawel @Gargron @gruber I think you’re missing the point. It’s a bad user experience. Surely we all agree that these screens are a bad user experience.

GDPR doesn’t ban tracking, it just requires consent. Maybe it’s an unintended consequence, but it’s an entirely predictable one.

Is it better than being tracked? Maybe, maybe not, but that’s another discussion.

Show threadPaweł OrzechJul 7, 2023
@bouncing @Gargron @gruber you can literally click "disallow all tracking" on this screen and be free from tracking (also one could argue that this disallow button should be more visible) vs sites tracking you by default. I'm always amazed how some US news websites just straight up doesn't work in Europe because they track so much and dissalow customising tracking settings. Bonkers. I'd rather click all those GDPR screens and make sure that news outlets know nothing or much less about me.
Show threadKen Kinder Jul 7, 2023

@pawel @Gargron @gruber In other words, you’ll trade the hassle of the consent screens for added privacy. That’s totally fair.

No one is suggesting that the consent screens don’t offer some added privacy, at the expense of user experience.

Show threadSteve BarnesJul 8, 2023
Sounds like a concession to Ken's point.
Show threadMatunosJul 8, 2023
@bouncing @pawel @Gargron @gruber they choose to make the UX so obnoxious to encourage you to click "allow all". they could present a privacy-compliant UX with a non-intrusive banner to allow more tracking in exchange for better site functionality, but they know most of their tracking doesn't add any value to the user.
Show threadKen Kinder Jul 8, 2023
@matunos @pawel @Gargron @gruber That is correct. And what happened was literally the only possible outcome of GDPR.
Show threadMatunosJul 8, 2023
@bouncing @pawel @Gargron @gruber because they are intent on tracking and monetizing us by sharing data. as others pointed out there are ways of doing analytics that don't violate GDPR or require user consent. the sites choose not to use them and to make it obnoxious to limit data sharing. privacy protection and user consent is not the bad guy
Show threadKen Kinder Jul 8, 2023
@matunos @pawel @Gargron @gruber All of which was still literally the only possible outcome.
Show threadMatunosJul 8, 2023
@bouncing @pawel @Gargron @gruber
Show threadKen Kinder Jul 9, 2023

@matunos @pawel @Gargron @gruber Let me put it in clearer terms. By some hypotheses, there may be an infinite number of universes. And yet, despite there being an infinite number of universes and possible outcomes, in no hypothetical universe is there one where GDPR results in anything other than irksome cookie popups.

It’s a paradox physicists have been flummoxed by for some time. 🤔

Show threadMatunosJul 9, 2023
@bouncing @pawel @Gargron @gruber i wonder if there was a universe in which I didn't mute this tiresome drivel
Show threadThom HolwerdaJul 7, 2023

@Gargron @gruber These cookie banners aren't even compliant with the law anyway.

Like you said, just don't include third-party analytics and you don't need any banners. You'd think somebody who peddles Apple would be in favour of that!

Show threadCabinet 20 🌱 Jul 7, 2023
@Gargron @gruber He’s not looking for a good faith discussion - it’s just bad faith, jingoistic, posting.
Show threadb-loved dreamerJul 7, 2023
@Gargron @gruber that’s exactly the point. They wouldn’t even need to get rid of third party analytics, using something like Plausible (which is orders of magnitude better than Google Analytics btw) would be enough to get rid of that awful dialog.
Show threadcanJul 7, 2023
@Gargron @gruber it’s a bad faith argument, no point in engaging
Show threadGabriel Viso CarreraJul 7, 2023
@Gargron don’t bother, @gruber has been in teenager troll mode for a few weeks now. That is something that it might work in the US, like sending us to the library, etc. it’s ludicrous.