Richard Gaywood
the eu is at war with meta over user privacy, and gruber has picked a side
Jul 7, 2023 at 8:15amWeb
Show thread13 barn owls in a trenchcoatJul 7, 2023

@penllawen Facebook has already provably stolen my data once. What earthly justification does this person have for assuming I'd want them to be able to do this again?

(I mean, I assume they're the Fb/Meta PR team, but this is still tacky af.)

Show threadRichard GaywoodJul 7, 2023
@HauntedOwlbear OP is the author of Daring Fireball, an Apple tech blog.
Show thread13 barn owls in a trenchcoatJul 7, 2023

@penllawen Ah, thank you. I don't follow the Apple ecosystem much, which'll be why I've not heard of them.

That's actually really odd with that extra context, given how privacy-centric Apple's default position is and the fact that that's one of the (as promoted) USPs of the company's products.

Show threadRichard GaywoodJul 7, 2023
@HauntedOwlbear Yes, indeed!
Show threadCraig GrannellJul 7, 2023
@HauntedOwlbear @penllawen Somewhat. He can get a bit angry about things that go against his own personal viewpoint. For whatever reason, the EU gets up his nose. There’s the odd whiff of libertarian. And the privacy thing is just strange, as you say, given Apple’s stance.
Show threadRichard GaywoodJul 7, 2023

@craiggrannell @HauntedOwlbear Whiff?

Remember this: https://daringfireball.net/linked/2021/04/27/ride-out-the-storm

Posted the same week as this: https://techcrunch.com/2021/04/30/basecamp-employees-quit-ceo-letter

Ride Out the Storm

Link to: https://basecamp.com/gettingreal/15.5-ride-out-the-storm

Daring Fireball
Show threadCraig GrannellJul 7, 2023
@penllawen @HauntedOwlbear Indeed. Whiffs can be whiffy.
Show threadDźwiedziuJul 7, 2023

@HauntedOwlbear
Maybe he's aware that Apple is repackaging the human right to privacy and selling it back to him ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@penllawen

Show threadDemon Queen LucretiaJul 7, 2023
@penllawen oh that guy again lol
Show threadRowinSpeezJul 7, 2023
@penllawen @HauntedOwlbear oh so basically nobody lol.
Show threadJakeJul 7, 2023
@penllawen @HauntedOwlbear yeah, that guy is full of bad takes.
Show threadAlessio MaffeisJul 7, 2023
@penllawen it’s not a war, and Meta chose to delay the launch in EU. But what is the privacy risk it’s being averted in this specific case? Instagram sharing data with… Instagram? 🤨
Show thread🟦🧙🏻simpJul 7, 2023
@maffeis @penllawen
This has been discussed (philosophically and legally in 2021): Facebook‘s entities in the EU are not allowed to share data between each other for their own purposes, without demonstrating clearly defined legitimate interests (which they could not in the past). There are two options for Facebook to start sharing data between entities: Bribe EU antitrust watchdogs (they come rather cheap, I hear), or breaking up.
Show threadAlessio MaffeisJul 7, 2023
@shinjiikarus @penllawen yeah, but the difference here sounds purely academic (I don't even think they setup a new legal entity for Threads, but I might be wrong). They could ship the very same thing as a feature in the main Instagram app and that would not be a problem.
Show threadMinaJul 7, 2023
@penllawen does he know that California governments are trying to bring the same laws to California?
Show threadBálint SzilaksziJul 7, 2023
@penllawen wait it’s not available in the EU? Bwahahaha
Show threadAral BalkanJul 7, 2023
@penllawen Muppet.
Show threadDaniël Franke 🏳️‍🌈Jul 7, 2023

@penllawen Gruber has had his lips vacuum sealed around the phallus of big tech for as long as I've seen his writing.

Definitely a person whose opinion I care very little about.

@aral

Show threadDaniël Franke 🏳️‍🌈Jul 7, 2023

@penllawen

Also, even outside of that, how is a bad twitter clone "interesting"....

@aral

Show threadClément CGJul 7, 2023
@ainmosni @penllawen @aral « vacuum sealed ». It made me laugh a lot. You made my day 🤣
Show threadRiku Mattila  Jul 7, 2023
@penllawen Besides, if you really want to, you can use it via VPN.
Show threadGMJul 7, 2023
@penllawen Gruber is so cluelessly full of himself that he simply doesn't realize 'the ban' (which is, in practice, just enforcing EU privacy laws rights) should by itself speak volumes about this 'funny' product. Oh, well.
Show threadOrange LanternJul 7, 2023
@penllawen It’s nice to see though that our elected officials do something useful every now and then.
Show threadardenJul 7, 2023
@penllawen it is specifically because threads is entirely linked to insta and they share data. That's all.
Show threadOcéane ⏚Jul 7, 2023
@penllawen Whatever the “inventor of Markdown” says…
Show threadThom SlatteryJul 7, 2023
@penllawen people claim you won't see ads on Mastodon, yet Daring Fireball is here...
Show threadJay CheroskeJul 7, 2023
@penllawen Bootlickers gonna lick boots.
Show threadLuttyz Jul 7, 2023
@penllawen Gruber has had quite bad takes about Threads-related things from the start, can't say I agree with him on a lot of things (and more specifically the way he says it) 
Show threadmisterhuhJul 7, 2023
@penllawen If he honestly thinks it’s the “most fun, most interesting” product of the year his expectations are exceptionally low.
Show threadMacerJul 7, 2023
@penllawen wonder how much meta paid for that. does this mean they also banned all other meta products considering they pretty much all collect data?
Show threadCalumJul 9, 2023
@elite @penllawen The EU haven't banned them yet, but they've already fined Meta over $1 billion this year. Meta won't want to release Threads until they can be sure that won't happen again.
Show threadchrisJul 7, 2023
@penllawen @aral Found https://daringfireball.net/linked/2023/06/26/xmpp-google.
He claims that XMPP was doomed because it was instant messaging, and
instant messaging is dead because it doesn't have persistence. I call
malarky. Offline storage has been a thing in XMPP for a loooong time
(long before Google stopped using it in Google Talk). Dependent on server implementation of course.
XEP 0160, "Best Practices for Handling Offline Messages", goes back to 2005.
Version 1.0 of that document was released in 2006.
Perhaps take this person's take on federated protocols with at least
a grain of salt or a serving size of your preference.
Sorry, but XMPP Was Doomed, Not Extinguished by Google

Link to: https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html

Daring Fireball
Show threadDavid CohenJul 7, 2023
@penllawen @craiggrannell And here we are post-Brexit happily allowing it here, whilst the Government legislates to ban E2E encryption. Yay UK!
Show threadUnHookedJul 7, 2023

@penllawen Meta picked a fight with Canada as well let's not forget. And it's quite likely we won't be sorry.

sidenote: I still hope zuk whoops elons numpty ass to pulp

Show threadJohn ConwayJul 7, 2023
@penllawen which is really odd, I don’t get it at all. I’ve read his blog and listened to his podcast, and he’s been pretty explicitly on the other side of this issue previously. It just seems… stupid.
Show threadRichJul 7, 2023
@penllawen he's a smart and insightful guy with a few inexplicable blind spots. He wouldn't give anyone else a pass on privacy, anti-consumer stuff or tolerance for Nazis, but for some reason is totally on board with giving Apple, Dorsey, Zuckerberg etc the benefit of the doubt. It's odd. I mean, apologists are ten a penny, but they're usually odious in obvious ways in their own right.
Show threadnumericcitizenJul 7, 2023
@penllawen @aral EU is years ahead of the US in regards to user privacy protection laws… and in Canada, in Quebec more specifically, we design laws to help protect user privacy based on the GDPR.
Show threadscaduJul 7, 2023
@penllawen oh, poor boi
Show threadMarcos DioneJul 7, 2023
@penllawen WhoTF is Gruber...
Show threaddevoluteJul 7, 2023
@penllawen Meta boots. Apple boots. They all taste the same so you may as well just lick lick lick away.
Show threadlaurentJul 7, 2023
@penllawen
I'm losing neurons every time I read this guy
Show threadJohan HalseJul 7, 2023
@penllawen “most fun, most interesting new product” IT’S A SCROLLING FEED OF POSTS WHY IS THE BAR FOR SILICON VALLEY SET SO LOW
Show threadJon GarrisonJul 8, 2023
@penllawen The utter failure of imagination to think that the most interesting and fun product of the year, halfway through the year, is a fucking chat app.
Show threadsudonymouseJul 8, 2023
@penllawen Who?
Show threadM8_dJul 9, 2023
@penllawen most fun by stealing your data, new product by copied other ppl or company, hh