If Jack Dorsey & Elon Musk (who are friends) merely wanted to run a MAGA site full of fascists, they could have just bought Parler & saved themselves approx 43.999 billion dollars.

What they wanted was to cripple the sad remnants of investigative journalism, and the political left, which successfully used Twitter for political organizing, activism & messaging throughout the Trump regime.

Why would anyone who cares about either of these things go to Jack's #Bluesky project.

Amid rumors he was being forced out as Twitter CEO (for the 2nd time), Dorsey reached out to Musk, & together they planned his takeover, which Dorsey backed to the tune of $1 billion in shares. Jack said he planned this exit starting in 2020, which is also when he started publicly making friends with Musk.

He is one of the biggest owners of Twitter.

As Dave Troy noted in Oct 2022: They're collaborators, not competitors.

https://progressives.social/@chargrille/110649546742614799

Erin Conroy (@[email protected])

Attached: 4 images @[email protected] June 11, 2022: Jack: "Twitter Inc could also use [Bluesky] as foundation." "According to the filing, Dorsey and Musk “may be deemed to have formed a group” for the purposes of part of the filing, a designation that indicates the pair were working together on the buyout." Oct. 18, 2022: Q: You've talked about a protocol for Twitter...is this along those lines? jack @jack: yes https://www.ft.com/content/f65414c4-f3e4-4bff-9af0-4960f922ce1d

Mastodon progressives

A Jack Dorsey owned protocol or platform will never, *ever* be a safe space for Democratic or progressive organizing, or even a safe gathering space for any marginalized community (which includes women).

It's actually a big deal to throw away this moment - an opening of possibility to meaningfully disrupt the cycle of Enshittification & to build a vastly more democratic social media space.

Musk won't prevail in any misappropriation claims against #Meta for #Threads because he hasn't tried to enforce against #Bluesky, which directly competes with Twitter, hired Twitter employees & all 3 of its Board members worked at Twitter. BS's clearly been using information acquired at Twitter to accelerate its development. Its attraction to users is b/c it's a copycat clone of Twitter - but Musk has never made a peep about it. And never will.

Tells you something very important about Bluesky

Failure to protect against misappropriation is an affirmative defense in CA.

Dorsey had duty to keep Twitter's TSs. "It is misappropriation to disclose or use another’s trade secret, knowing or having reason to know, that...the trade secret was acquired under circumstances giving rise to a duty to maintain its secrecy or limit its use, or was derived from or through a person who owed a duty to maintain its secrecy or limit its use. (Cal. Civ. Code, §§ 3426.1(b)(2)(B)(ii) and (iii).)"

Really looking forward to all the people who've been spreading unsourced reassurances that there is ABSOLUTELY NO collusive relationship between Dorsey's #Bluesky project & Musk's #Twitter, suddenly now spreading the opposite rumor that Bluesky & Twitter have contractual agreements & that's why Musk has never treated "totally independent" Bluesky the way he treats every other competitor to Twitter (a company which his buddy & Twitter takeover co-conspirator Jack Dorsey still owns $1 billion of).
Anyway, I am truly grateful that Quinn Emanuel got paid by Elon Musk to open up this can of worms and I hope it means some journalists might wake up and do their jobs.
@chargrille I heard they made some sort of contract regarding bluesky as a part of the acquisition and it guaranteed them certain rights of this kind. But no idea, don't know whether that was reliable information.

@hllizi

Journalists shouldn't be spreading these kinds of unsourced rumors, without seeing all the contracts & incorporation documents from Bluesky entities (there are likely more than just the one PBLLP).

@hllizi

Also, people are simultaneously spreading unsourced (& frankly totally BS) rumors that there is ZERO relationship between Musk & Dorsey's Twitter, & Dorsey's Bluesky. So which is it?

@chargrille His whole scheme at Twitter never made sense. He applied politics to a social media service, paying no attention to consumer preferences. If the business model succeeds on Customer delight, Musk failed spectacularly.
@chargrille Destroy all Tech Bros: they are a Front for The Nova Mob

@chargrille Mastodon for activism and awareness, Bluesky for cute animal pics and general shitposting, and never the twain should meet.

I agree with your assessment of the musk/dorsey intent, what I wonder is why all this chipping away at Twitter, rather than pulling the plug immediately. The endless blunders and faceplants have shifted musk's carefully crafted public persona from "visionary genius" to bumbling incompetent.

It's clear he doesn't give a crap about the $44B or lawsuits from contractors and creditors, would it not have been better for his reputation (and boundless ego) to take Twitter offline with the vague promise of overhauling the site, then announce he would be "taking the company in an exciting new direction" or whatever, and then simply never follow up?

Can he honestly love posting boomer-humor and getting fluffed by sycophant crypto/fash THAT MUCH? So much that he'd trash his entire reputation over it? It's astonishing.

@AminosBilly

Re the chipping away obviously I am theorizing but: 1) because Bluesky wasn't ready yet to push journalists & Democratic/left wing users to & 2) Twitter's reputation & network effect remains valuable as an avenue to radicalize clued-out users who remain.

Then Twitter joins BlueSky & we're back to the start, only worse.

Relatedly, it is notable that Bluesky is the only competitor that Musk never banned or attacked - despite the fact that its a carbon copy of Twitter.

@chargrille I'm not sure what value twitter has at this point, it's bots talking to bots and endless t-shirt hucksters. If a normie's going to get radicalized it's far more likely to happen on Truth or Facebook, no? Thru a slippery slope of vaccine misinformation or groomer panic?

And speaking of Facebook, I'm betting that Threads is going to eat dorsey's lunch. FB and Insta's reach is beyond huge, the ability to instantly connect to one's existing network is gonna be a huge boon.

This whole thing is depressing. The lifeline Twitter gave to organizers and vulnerable citizens was unparalleled, it's a genuine loss.

@AminosBilly @chargrille Maybe Dorsey was smarter than we thought... maybe he knew exactly what would happen by putting Elon in charge... 😂
@AminosBilly @chargrille
It is absolutely astonishing. It makes me wonder if this is incompetence or intentional. I'm leaning towards a blackmail type scenario.
Maybe something to do with the friends he keeps...

@chargrille Waitaminnit! Are you telling me that Rasputin-lookin'-motherfu**er ain't on the level?!?

</jokes>

@chargrille
I realize I risk oversimplifying but it reminds me of the shopping at Walmart argument. People ultimately do what's self-serving, simple and cheap vs what is best.
@icymi_law

@chargrille Is there a more democratic social-media cosmos than #Mastodon & the #Fediverse?
Not as far as I know.

There's always space & opportunity for improvement to jointly optimize, what we've got.

P.S.: A platform organized & directed by Jack Dorsey will never again be an option or choice for me.

Reminder: Dorsey was the CEO before & on Jan 6.
It told me all I needed to know.

#Mastodon #Freedom #Equality #CommunityCounts #RulesMatter #SocialMedia #DorseyTrump

@chargrille hey, @davetroy ...breaking news, huh?

@axeshun

I've recommended @davetroy's great article many times in writing about Bluesky/Musk/Dorsey.

@chargrille @davetroy i know... That honestly wasn't a crack at you. I promise.
@chargrille @davetroy I just eyeroll, when things dave, @jennycohn and so many others have been talking about for years come out in more mainstream sources, so many people (*again, not referring to you) are like, 'wut? Wow.'

@axeshun

It is frustrating.

But it’s not coming out in mainstream media. I’ve been asking questions that I *don’t* see journalists addressing.

Maybe Dave would be interested in pursuing some of the corporate ownership/legal questions and the nitty gritty circumstances behind how Bluesky was funded by Twitter shareholders but then incorporated into a private company owned by Twitter’s CEO.

@davetroy @jennycohn

@chargrille @davetroy @jennycohn You're right...it isn't coming out in mainstream media. It's a complete failure of all journalistic responsibility. It's sinful that any of us are eyerolling about anything that we've been aware of (for years sometimes), only because we dig for investigative journalists who actually do the research and connect the dots.
@chargrille Dorsey rolled over his shares to Musk, so the approx 2.4% he held of Old Twitter is still 2.4% of Musk's Twitter. A few others, like Oracle's Larry Ellison, did the same - but Ellison baulked at adding extra funding. All of this according to Fortune.
@OutOnTheMoors Pretty hilarious after Ellison's offhand "yeah, i'll get you whatever you want, $1 billion or whatever" text to Musk in spring 2022. (I'm paraphrasing, not his exact words)
@chargrille These guys are something else. They treat amounts of money that could change the lives of entire communities like marbles being traded on the playground
@OutOnTheMoors Of entire nations, in some cases. $1 billion is a huge amount of money for a small island nation under the gun from climate crisis.
@chargrille @OutOnTheMoors also extra funny that Jack's probably down bare minimum $800m on that $1bn.
@SpeedflyChris @chargrille That's why he's *publicly* peeved with Musk. (However, he made much more than that from last year's bitcoin crash 😂)
Dorsey's a low-rent billionaire too keen on working the shady side of the street to realise how much more can be made by legally exploiting the system.

@chargrille

Dunno if it's illegal, but, as my grandmother used to say, "It smacks of sharp practice." 🤨