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Meanwhile in CanadaI want to live in a world where 500 migrants lost at sea evokes more concern than 3 millionaires lost in a vanity submarine.
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Jimmothy Baggins@MeanwhileinCanada most people seem to be scolfing but a few media outlets are trying to pull as much interest as the Malaysia air crash. Personally I’m over it.
JackieTechnoHippie@MeanwhileinCanada I want to live in a world where one migrant lost at sea raises more concern than 500 dead billionaires.
Andres Jalinton@MeanwhileinCanada
I have been reading the big majority here talking about how it should be that way.
I feel like we are in the community that is the correct projection of the world we want.
I have been reading the big majority here talking about how it should be that way.
I feel like we are in the community that is the correct projection of the world we want.
Nick L@Andres @MeanwhileinCanada Aye, but we are only a fraction and the world has taken a turn to the ultra right, even bordering to pure fascism in some cases.
Aaron
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@hosford42 @byron7 @Andres @MeanwhileinCanada sadly, being as loud as them isn't the problem when cognitive bias and manipulation is what you're fighting.
I dunno about you, but I tend to think the reason most people make a hard right do it because their fears and biases are so easily amplified by bad actors, including the capacity to see us on the left as the manipulative bad actors whenever we try to debunk all the bullshit theories, no matter how clear our evidence is. The lies are usually more attractive and uncomplicated (as designed), delivered by confident and 'strong' and 'charismatic' influencers, etc.
How do you combat that? Play as dirty as the right? I dunno if that'd lead to the right end result. I reckon they'd beat us at that game.
Wilhelm Gere@hosford42 @byron7 @Andres @MeanwhileinCanada
This wasn't loud enough for them last time?
@Wgere @hosford42 @Andres @MeanwhileinCanada I think it was pretty loud for the generation back then, but that was 80 years ago and collective memory fades.
Steffen Voß@MeanwhileinCanada I want to live in a world, where every life counts the same.
ChookMother 🇦🇺🦘@MeanwhileinCanada How much is concern and how much is interest because of the novelty/uniqueness of the situation?
If you mean the amount of effort being made to rescue the passengers, I would like to see even half of that expended on rescuing refugees who are in danger at sea. It's one of the oldest moral codes that you always come to the aid of anyone in trouble at sea.
@anne_twain @MeanwhileinCanada The novelty does make it more interesting. I'm not immune to that effect. But it should have no bearing whatsoever on where our efforts and resources are devoted. Every human life has value. And billionaires already have plenty of people to look out for them. So 100% of our time and energy should go to helping the refugees.
dingodog@hosford42 @anne_twain @MeanwhileinCanada Furthermore, the billionaires who went out of their way to avoid a regulatory safety framework because "they knew better" already opted out. You don't get to opt out of society when you don't like it, then expect it to cover your butt when things get bad.
Contrast the migrants, who would all have absolutely preferred a safe way to seek a better life, but got forced into terrible choices between bad options
wb x64@anne_twain @MeanwhileinCanada I agree that if they were just dead it would be a footnote, the fact that it's a slow motion train wreck over the course of a week means there's plenty of time to speculate and get dramatic. Like the Deepwater Horizon vs the train crash oil spill in Ohio, once the disaster happened there's nothing to do but assign blame and be done. Fuck Europe for its callous disregard of people at sea.
xs4me2The sad truth…
TobiWanKenobiI want to live in a world where migration has become unnecessary and millionaires don't exist.
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RejZoR@MeanwhileinCanada No one really gives a shitabout that sub
Tom Ritchford@MeanwhileinCanada I thought about this a bit overnight, and I concluded that it's the novelty aspect that attracts people.
Billionaire, Titanic, submarine, disappeared: four words that haven't been seen in a story before.
...not that people aren't crass, jingoistic and obsessed with the rich and famous.
But even anti-capitalists such as myself see this as a story on our radar: "obsessive consumption has terrible consequences".
Dziadek@MeanwhileinCanada I share your anger. You raise an interesting point. I think a big part of the problem is news coverage. It’s massive in the UK where it leads every bulletin and dominates the programme. Most people I know are more concerned about the migrants, and on here too. My personal view is that the people who feel the other way are the rich and the racists. And think of the billions who have no means of knowing what’s going on — probably 90% of the world who would side with migrants.
Helgi Crookehorne@MeanwhileinCanada that's big concern so that's why the EU funded that wall in Turkey. Smuggler boat ticket cost $5000, and maybe tickets to Canada cost much less. Open visa free travel with all the world and they'd come.
J P@MeanwhileinCanada ... Or a world where there are no refugee migrants. I hope.
Joyographic@MeanwhileinCanada I want to live in a world where no one is so poor they have to risk migrating on a janky boat, and no one is so rich they can pay to go to the Titanic in a janky submarine
null fame@joyographic @MeanwhileinCanada it's not only the poor. When a whole country like Syria or Ukraine is upset, you have people from all classes trying to get on any boat they can (car, bus, train?)
Groms@MeanwhileinCanada Ithink you are! Probably realistic if you substract media hype.just ask around...
Betsy Bee@MeanwhileinCanada Shows more concern and actually does more to help.
Derek Caelin is writing a book@MeanwhileinCanada the contrast is pretty striking.
Ministerofimpediments@MeanwhileinCanada that’s because the migrants are already dead and the reason/blame is pretty easily laid. (As unpleasant as that sounds)
Whereas with the other you have Schrödinger’s #submarine .
And who doesn’t want the answer to that one? Plus people are a bunch of grisly bastards. Evidence; every car, train, plane crash or natural disaster/war ever. And before anyone blames the media just remember there is always a big crowd outside a house fire. Media are just the drug dealer.
Shane Gallagher@MeanwhileinCanada or those trapped Chilean miners and the boy scouts trapped in a flooded cavern. Kids trapped in wells, balloon boy, none of them deserve attention. See how virtuous I am? You all should be ashamed.
50sFarmGirl 🇨🇦@MeanwhileinCanada OMG! Thank you for expressing that!
brewdog1950Abso bloody lutely.
Kyle Wagaman@MeanwhileinCanada You think it’s a factor of individuals’ net worth and not the mystery and intrigue of the missing sub?
RainCityBunnies@MeanwhileinCanada
I've been thinking of all the money being spent on search for a few millionaires, and how that money could be better spent
I've been thinking of all the money being spent on search for a few millionaires, and how that money could be better spent
Blamellors@MeanwhileinCanada true dat!
Darren du Nord@MeanwhileinCanada technically, there are 1,000 millionaires in 1 billionaire. But I get your point.
Haelus Novak@MeanwhileinCanada yesss but also a world without millionaires 😌