KiraOnClimate
elleExactly this.
Davida billion dollar foundation would immediately have the capacity to cover sections of the mediterranean for sure
Helgi Crookehorne@drdrowland governments in N. Africa already receive billions for doing that, but not in Lybia. There's still plenty of war and no coast guard
We can both be right. Governments are known to waste money.
Larry Rubinow@ElleGray We *could*, but we're not gonna. https://morningstaronline.co.uk/node/71822
rood@el_rubino @ElleGray wow! Sign me up for jail too then. When saving people is a crime you're in a dystopia.
Dawid@rood They are not rescuing people. They are trafficking them. If it were about their safety from drowning, they wouldn't be sailing such close to Libyan shore to take people from there and transport them to Italy. If it were about their safety, they'll be released in Libyan ports.
Niedliche Nacktschnecke ☑️
Rachel Greenham@ElleGray @stephenwhq sane and humane immigration policies would obviate the need; people could just take normal modes of transport. People only take the dangerous routes because the safe routes are blocked to appease racists.
Sid 🇵🇸@ElleGray there's a ship captain in Europe who is facing 20 years in prison for trying to rescue migrants
Helen Graham@InternetEh @ElleGray Here there was an outcry because the lifeboat men rescued some,there were calls to stop funding /donating to them etc. WE have usually created the problems thats forced from their homes and its not a though we dont have space or jobs ,we need them ,we a lot of skilled jobs unfilled because of Brexit ,even if they are unqualified,theres farm work with bed and board.Crops rot in fields every harvest because we dont have enough workers.So the financial arguments are rubbish
@Helengraham @ElleGray I'm with you until "we need them." People have inherent value that has nothing to do with how useful they are to the economy
@InternetEh @ElleGray I agree however the main argument used by racists and those opposed to allowing refugees in automatically is that they "cost money and are going to rely on the state and take UK jobs ,so I was answering that argument. Its something goverment like to gloss over to justify measures that will win them votes by those prejudiced against refugees .If you start from the assumption that we need them ,the need for refugees to establish a reason to be allowed to stay is gone
@Helengraham I'm for arguments that further the fact that people have worth even when they're not profitable.
The project of the capitalist order is to create disposable sub-classes of workers like migrants, who can be either ruthlessly exploited or tossed into the ocean or a war zone when the economy doesn't need them.
I don't think "but the economy needs them" is the best way to counter that. We're feeding enough workers into that meat grinder already
Justin@ElleGray Great take and I agree. Sad that this isn't the case. Sad state of affairs.
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Florrie@ElleGray this type of situation is only going to get worse if the world continues to ignore climate disruption.
Andrew Feeney@ElleGray Even better, let’s operate a ferry service. Safer, cheaper, more humane.
@ElleGray very true and we could get international co ordination to do so.But to be fair I think part of this was experimental ,trying out technology and gadgets tyhat hadnt had a chance to be used except in test situations , to see what was possible if a sub was lost so deep , as I doubt many people involved in the search thought there was any real chance of them being rescued.Plus this played out over days when they might have still been alive.I think people were hoping for a miracle
@Helengraham I understand this, but the refugees whose boat went down could have stayed alive in the water for hours, even days and no one looked for them. Not even to "test out" their new gadgets
Mark Tomczak@ElleGray @Helengraham There was a four-day search and over 100 people were rescued. The advanced tech they deployed to find the submarine is inapplicable to an overturned surface passenger vessel because they know where the vessel went down and it's not a watertight tube you can rescue people out of.
Mivey@ElleGray
Look up "mare Nostrum". The EU fixed this problem, after having made the decision that no one should ever have to die in boat accident in the Mediterranean. Then it became politically a liability to save brown and black people, so the whole thing was shut down, and we have EU countries where coast guards are actively pushing migrant boats away or passively watch them drown.
Look up "mare Nostrum". The EU fixed this problem, after having made the decision that no one should ever have to die in boat accident in the Mediterranean. Then it became politically a liability to save brown and black people, so the whole thing was shut down, and we have EU countries where coast guards are actively pushing migrant boats away or passively watch them drown.
@mivey yes, I'm aware of this. It's part of the reason I quoted this tweet
@ElleGray wanted to also mention the name for peeps who might not already be aware of it, as it's not just a hypothetical thing. The EU had a working mechanism to save lives, with state-organised patrols to look out for anyone that needs rescue. Still kinda baffling to me, given how much money the EU is spending on other things.
Simon Detheridge 
@ElleGray despite the (inheritance) tax benefits of letting billionaires die being much more lucrative.
Sloan Studio@ElleGray We can solve world hunger, homelessness, improve life expectancy, and save millions of lives… we have more cultural evolution to do to match our technological prowess.
xs4me2Indeed…
João Santos@ElleGray if we (as in Western society) cared, desperate people wouldn't even need to resort to human traffickers to cross the Mediterranean.
leandrofelgueiras@ElleGray i just disagree of the "we choose" since this is being chosen for us
uzayran@ElleGray instead we make sure to criminalise the people putting their own lives and money on the line to save them
Metzgirl (She/Her)@ElleGray International Capitalism prevents this.
lunchy@ElleGray p o l i c y f a i l u r e
Spongefile@ElleGray Both on the US border and on the Mediterranean the pretty explicit plan seems to be ”let refugees be separated from their families, suffer and die so it be a deterrent to others considering the attempt” 😐
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