nixCraft 🐧Reddit blackout protest is just like those online petitions. Both are unpredictable about the final results. What are you going to do when you miss r/funny. Use Lemmy? The truth is Reddit admins know there is no alternative. Reddit was ready when Digg 4 happened. I want Reddit to act friendly, but it isn't easy when you take investors' money. They want a return on their investments. It is better to stop using a centralized cloud for everything from SO to Reddit. Let us build independent forums
At least the mastodon idea is pleasant. We need something like that for forums. But, I guess most users want a centralized cloud for network effect. There is no such thing as a viral post on Mastodon. But with Reddit, Twitter, and other social media centralized, we have viral content, aka the network effect.
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Paul Quirk@nixCraft you know what else is viral? A virus. Maybe a system where things cannot go viral is a good thing overall.
Amikke@nixCraft there definitely is such a thing as a viral fediverse post, virals happen via people sharing stuff with each other and centralized algorithms only amplify that at best.
You can also have content discovery on a decentralized platform, after all the data on public posts is public. Even better, you can have multiple independent algos so that you’re not stuck with potentially dumb decisions of one.
You can also have content discovery on a decentralized platform, after all the data on public posts is public. Even better, you can have multiple independent algos so that you’re not stuck with potentially dumb decisions of one.
Zergling_man@Zergling_man wasn’t there a full-text search project a few months ago that was taken down due to apocalyptic levels of butthurt from people suddenly not wanting their public posts to be public?
@Amikke idk if it got taken down.
But pleroma just does that by default, doesn't it?
But pleroma just does that by default, doesn't it?
@Zergling_man another point for Pleroma then.
@Amikke idk if it does. I've never tried to use it like that.
I built my own search/scraper tool that targets accounts, and 99% of time I target myself.
I built my own search/scraper tool that targets accounts, and 99% of time I target myself.
Travis@nixCraft Users want a centralized network because it’s easy. Nothing to host, it’s “free”, hell even the marketing is easy because you have so many eyeballs in one place. Centralization is easy and autonomous. That’s why it’s loved. Remember #JohnMastodon? That only went crazy here because of the tag and people boosting it like crazy (similar to forwarding an email to our friends).
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Cassandrich@nixCraft There absolutely is such a thing as viral post on Mastodon. And the virality when it happens is legit: it's a product of sufficiently high R value for intentional sharing by readers, rather than some garbage trending panel incubating it.
FairLight@nixCraft I agree, it feels hopeless. Mastodon is a great replacement for Twitter, in a mature state. But, given how Reddit works, there are no reasonable alternatives, in my opinion.
motie@nixCraft I don’t really want viral content or anything like that. I want to participate in discussions in multiple active communities without having to hunt down individual web forums for some of my decidedly niche interests. The compelling thing about a fediverse replacement for Reddit to me is the decentralized nature of it. No one party holds the power, everyone can be a part of their own thing, and we can all play together (or not, if one server becomes a cesspool).
Patrick@motie @nixCraft i think what people are missing the most out of reddit is the years of "tribal knowledge" built up over such a large variety of subjects, from tech to sex to niche hobbies and even mental health. i have used r/whatisthisthing more than i'd like to admit. havung a mastadon-like product for this kind of knowledge sharung would be ideal. like stackoverflow but uncentralized and less formal.
Cam@nixCraft Yeah, social media has given people a taste of fame/popularity who wouldn't have otherwise been noticed outside of an immediate social circle, so people will be reluctant to give that up.
Thankfully I've remained steadfastly unpopular both online and offline, so I can move about freely 😁
ElectroFetish@nixCraft After all, now everyone has quite powerful PCs in order to work with something most useful instead of JavaScript proprietary services.
The same qTox works completely independently, qbittorrent, etc. And most importantly rises with just one click
The same qTox works completely independently, qbittorrent, etc. And most importantly rises with just one click
MeltedLiquid@nixCraft what I think smaller communities offer that Reddit etc can't are quality. It may be harder for things to go viral. But the content and engagement is far better. So you'll still get pieces that will break and spread to other forums etc.
Mr. Peluca@nixCraft idk, if we have learned somthing about centralized social networks is that viral posts are usually pretty bad. They never excel because they are great, they are memes at best, end in death at worse.
Alan Hicks@nixCraft
@cas
As Caleb reminds us, we need an open internet, but AI intentionally breaks the link between creators and their work.
There's no simple answer when trust breaks down 😢
https://social.treehouse.systems/@cas/110536293435695331
@cas
As Caleb reminds us, we need an open internet, but AI intentionally breaks the link between creators and their work.
There's no simple answer when trust breaks down 😢
https://social.treehouse.systems/@cas/110536293435695331
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damn totally missed the stack overflow mess that's going on right now. this is really scary https://openletter.mousetail.nl/ https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/390106/moderation-strike-update-data-dumps-choosing-representatives-gpt-data-and-wh
Televise (Mastodon)@AlanHicksLondon @nixCraft @cas This is insane. The Internet is changing so fast that it's noticeably changing people's habits.
Youssef | يوسف@nixCraft I know it's been around for a while, but it's still early days for decentralized platforms. The concept ot "viral" only emerged when centralized engagement-based platforms took domination over the web. It's not an inherent need of the web itself but emerged in that context. We might see different paradigms and concepts emerge on the fediverse if momentum keeps building.
halas 🇵🇸🇺🇦🇪🇺@nixCraft I think this touches on an important point. VC money are harmful to business, wider economy and society. Just don't take the investor's money. We need to tax the rich to stop never-ending flow of cheap VC money and redirect them to something actually beneficial to the society.
Domage@nixCraft #Lemmy, like #Mastodon months ago, is experiencing a user migration crisis, doubling its base from 50k to 100k users in one week. Granted, this pales in comparison to Reddit's >50M daily users.
Sure, Lemmy is still in its early stages, lacking stability and the mobile applications are non-existent.
However, I believe that Lemmy holds significant potential, as tens of thousands of enthusiastic users join the platform, looking to build a new online community
RowinSpeez@nixCraft the great thing about Reddit is that the more you use it, the worse it gets and all the jokes are dumber and less funny with each repost.
Dragna@nixCraft even on a personal micro/individual level I find this to be true. I’ve told my friends who bemoaned the Amazon takeover that you could live without, promise. Those are the same friends who clearly are triggered by some sense of FOMO when it comes to acting on their distaste and distrust of centralized one stop shops, be they social media, or consumer products.
Stefan Scholl@nixCraft Izmy died too early.
@nixCraft We've been through this somewhere before... Twitter?
centralized services are doomed.
Now Reddit is sick
The vaccine is decentralization.
centralized services are doomed.
Now Reddit is sick
The vaccine is decentralization.
Jack Pippett@nixCraft Can’t say I agree, Reddit has been on a downward spiral for a few years, I tried Lemmy for the first time and it wasn’t half bad. Paired with Mastadon, I think I’m finally ready to ditch the platform entirely. I might be a small minority though.
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I honestly find all of this exciting. Finally a stir in the pot, a change that could have a positive effect.
I’ve been setting up and learning to use lemmy / kbin for the past day or so and can’t say that I’m missing reddit.
They’re still a fraction of the size, content wise, of Reddit but I’m hopeful and will continue using them.
This is a fantastic chance to move away from a very centralised corp owned space, why not take it.
Alex@nixCraft lemmy has all reddit has, it just needs a bit more work. i personally think the communities are a lot less toxic too
@nixCraft While it's unlikely for me to get rid of Reddit entirely - I've at the least taken it off my bookmarks to at least begin to decentralize my internet usage. I've spent too much time there as my "internet home".
theM0ntarCann0n@nixCraft quite sad. I love one of reddit alternatives. Usenet. Rusty remains of it's old glory are still up and running as Usenet is and always have been quite cop-resistant. Bunch of pirates run it as file-sharing service. Everything that old collosus needs is a fresh UI and some way to send pictures and videos. (alredy invented).
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You are certainly right about Reddit bowing to its investors' wishes. The other real question is how to find those jokers who posted the good stuff on r/funny and their new homes.
You are certainly right about Reddit bowing to its investors' wishes. The other real question is how to find those jokers who posted the good stuff on r/funny and their new homes.