PanzerThe talk show live with @gruber Greg Joswiak, John Ternus and Mike Rockwell of Apple
Kam Strzyzewski
Dan Schwartz
Nevin
Steve Marshall
Chad Mobley
Techinterested
Sam Gross
NonRevGuyHas Gruber yet opened up The Talk Show to more diverse voices from women or people of color?
I stopped reading and listening to John after he made a racist quip "You're folding it wong." against Ray Wong in February 2021. https://twitter.com/gruber/status/1229815856768614401?s=20
I'm also surprised by ticket cost, but respect that he offers a lower tier for anyone who feels that they needed it.
Gregnee@nonrevguy @panzer
I vaguely remember this incident. I didn’t think the joke was overly offensive. Sophomoric for sure, but puns involving names almost always are. I didn’t find it anymore racist than a crass joke about somebody with the last name “Johnson”, just kinda dumb.
And I say this as a guy with an Asian surname that has been the butt of dumb jokes since my classmates were old enough to talk.
@nonrevguy @panzer
Women, rarely. Usually those are personal friends/journalists. Joanna Stern has appeared on the show a few times that I can recall. Another female tech writer who now works at Apple has been on the show once that I recall.
As for POC, it’s a podcast, so I have no idea what these people look like. They’re just disembodied voices. If I had to guess, I’d say they are majority of European descent, but obviously he has folks like Nilay Patel on at regular intervals.
Erfin@nonrevguy yeah I stopped listening a while ago. He has gotten to a point where he seems to value his opinion above all others. It’s sad because he has access to such neat people.
@erfin That’s pretty sad to me since I really used to like reading Daring Fireball and listening to The Talk Show.
Imo, ATP has always tried to be empathetic with its podcast in trying to represent lots of different perspectives. As much as I’d love for them to do a better job of having a very rare guest that’s from a diverse background, I’m still quite happy with the podcast they produce.
Imo, ATP has always tried to be empathetic with its podcast in trying to represent lots of different perspectives. As much as I’d love for them to do a better job of having a very rare guest that’s from a diverse background, I’m still quite happy with the podcast they produce.
@nonrevguy I very much enjoy the wonderful ATP crew. 🙂
Mathias af Jochnick@nonrevguy @panzer I am not trying to offend, really trying to learn - i’m from sweden. How is this racist? To me he’s making a name-joke about Steves famous antennagate scandal. because Wong rhymes with wrong?
@2happy1sad @panzer Yes, and the person in question took offense to it.
At the same time Daring Fireball and John Gruber seem to have a bias for not inviting individuals with diverse perspectives to join The Talk Show.
At the same time Daring Fireball and John Gruber seem to have a bias for not inviting individuals with diverse perspectives to join The Talk Show.
@nonrevguy @panzer Ok. That does not make it racist, it makes it offensive to that person.
@2happy1sad @panzer Thanks for your perspective. As an Asian person, I was also offended, but I am sure there are other Asians who may not have been offended. Hopefully in this existence, we can all be empathetic toward others and try to enjoy life peacefully.
@nonrevguy @panzer Yes. i was asking because i thought there might be some language-context i didn’t understand. But if it just is the name i don’t think it’s racist - however a joke in bad taste. He did apologize properly and remove it at least. have a great day!