jcr Jun 7, 2023
Augie Ray

Hey, everybody, the CDC says we should stop eating raw cookie dough because 18 people were sickened.

Meanwhile, keep breathing in #COVID19 in big crowded spaces without a mask. It's only hospitalized 422,000 and killed 38,000 Americans so far in 2023.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wellness/2023/05/25/raw-cookie-dough-salmonella-illness/

The CDC wants people to stop eating raw cookie dough. But it’s so tasty.

A salmonella outbreak linked to raw cookie dough has sickened at least 18 people across six states, according to the CDC.

The Washington Post
Jun 7, 2023 at 10:54amWeb
Show threadSteven MolnarJun 7, 2023
@augieray But there's a huge difference: telling us not to eat raw cookie dough doesn't upset any plutocrats.
Show threadEniko (moved ➡ gamedev.place)Jun 7, 2023
@augieray *that we know of
Show threadMeow.tar.gz  Jun 7, 2023
@augieray The irony of the whole thing is not lost on me.
Show threadNoah GibbsJun 7, 2023

@augieray That's it. From here on out, only making masks out of cookie dough.

Since that means I'll be eating them, I'll need to carry around a lot of cookie dough. But that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make.

Show threadRuth O’DayJun 7, 2023
@augieray
This is the work of Big Cake Batter. No raw cookie dough but notice how the CDC doesn’t warn against licking the cake batter remnants from the bowl or from the beaters?
Show thread@stevewfoldsJun 7, 2023
@RuthODay @augieray The flour bags say cook before eating. Been licking beaters 70+ years. :)
Show threadRuth O’DayJun 7, 2023

@stevewfolds @augieray
Licking beaters for 57 years, myself.

And eating raw hamburger. : )

Show thread@stevewfoldsJun 8, 2023
@augieray @RuthODay Had steak tartare. They charge extra for not cooking the hamburger. :)
Show threadRuth O’DayJun 8, 2023

@stevewfolds @augieray
Only the best for you, Steve!

I pay extra, too.

In Germany they have this thing called “Mettbrötchen”, which is a sandwich made of minced raw pork (Mett), which I tried and lived to tell the tale, along with millions of Germans (maybe Austrians and Swiss, too?).

Show threadPeter ButlerJun 7, 2023

@RuthODay @augieray not to be that reply guy, but the CDC does warn against raw cake batter too

https://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/communication/no-raw-dough.html

Say No to Raw Dough

Follow these tips to help you stay healthy when handling raw dough.

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
Show threadRuth O’DayJun 7, 2023
@peterbutler @augieray
Right you are, thank you for the follow-through.
Show threadThe Doctor Is InJun 7, 2023
@augieray
Surely thoughts and prayers should suffice...?
Show threadB Caligari 🇪🇺Jun 7, 2023
@augieray That's insane. Has covid in 2023 really killed three times as many people in the US as gun violence???
Show threadFirehorseart Lives!Jun 7, 2023

@bcaligari @augieray

"In United States of America, from 3 January 2020 to 6:07pm CEST, 31 May 2023, there have been 103,436,829 confirmed cases of COVID-19 with 1,127,152 deaths, reported to WHO"

Roughly 1.1m deaths from COVID in the US.

https://covid19.who.int/region/amro/country/us

"the US has seen more than 39,000 gun deaths a year since 2014, and as of 1 May at least 13,959 people have been shot dead in 2023"

About 351,000 US gun deaths in 9 years.

https://news.sky.com/story/americas-10-most-deadly-mass-shootings-of-2023-12875292#

China: WHO Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19) Dashboard With Vaccination Data

China Coronavirus(COVID-19) statistics. Total and daily confirmed cases and deaths.

Show threadB Caligari 🇪🇺Jun 7, 2023
@srfirehorseart @augieray It's just messed up. Totally unnecessary and no lessons ever learnt.
Show threadFirehorseart Lives!Jun 7, 2023

@bcaligari @augieray

Meanwhile, in Japan they still wear masks in public spaces. However, changes to testing meant results were harder to track
Japan's main weakness seems to be anong older citizens, who were harder hit last Winter.

"In Japan, from 3 January 2020 to 12:23pm CEST, 7 June 2023, there have been 33,803,572 confirmed cases of COVID-19 with 74,694 deaths, reported to WHO"

Show threadRhetRxJun 7, 2023
@augieray It’s interesting where they want people to take responsibility. The food safety teams are a bit separate from the infectious disease teams, and haven’t had their funding yanked away.
And it’s World Food Safety Day, so that’s the press release du jour
Show threadGBJun 7, 2023
@augieray well, when you put it like that, it just sounds silly, don't it?
Show threadLGsMomJun 7, 2023
@augieray Cookie dough = lawn darts.
Show threadCourt Cantrell does not complyJun 8, 2023
@LGsMom @augieray and Kinder-eggs
Show threadC.S.StrowbridgeJun 7, 2023

@augieray

I know covid-19 is the bigger deal, but you can get pasteurized eggs and you can pasteurize flour at home reducing the chance of hard to practically zero.

Show threadBetsyJun 7, 2023

@augieray

who wore a mask all evening yesterday, on the BART trains into & out of #SanFrancisco & then at the crowded #opera house? *this gal* plus about 20 others (from what I could discern). 😦

Show threadSteve VladJun 7, 2023
@Studio_Gal @augieray Good job. What’d you see?
Show threadBetsyJun 7, 2023

@steven_vlad @augieray

Madame Butterfly

This was the fourth production of Butterfly I've seen over the course of -- oh heavens, 38 years now? First Pinkerton I ever saw was Placido Domingo in L.A. "back in the day"

Show threadSteve VladJun 8, 2023
@Studio_Gal @augieray Lovely.
Show threadThe Chaotic Good 🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍🌈🖖Jun 7, 2023

@augieray @shyra Yeah that seems… Off.

I’ll continue to eat cookie dough but choose high quality ingredients that i make dough from fresh.

Also, congratulations, you’ve convinced me to bake some cookies.

Show threadBob Blaskiewicz 🇺🇦 🇨🇦 🇬🇱Jun 7, 2023

@augieray

What they aren't saying is how many epidemiologists got ill after eating raw cookie dough at a CDC sleepover last month.

Show threadAugie RayJun 7, 2023
@rjblaskiewicz That made me laugh. Thanks.
Show threadSilverWreckageJun 7, 2023
@augieray I'm so terrified of both that I think I'll boycott cookie dough and drive solo wearing a mask. Might bathe in bleach on a regular basis too. New normal here.
Show thread소주한잔Jun 7, 2023
@augieray you mean to tell me that the US hasn't vaccinated it's chicken flock against salmonella? huh 🤔
Show threadJames LimaJun 7, 2023
@scaramanga @augieray At the farmers market I used to work at the vendor next to me used to make a big deal to her customers about the fact that all her meat came from vaccine free animals. The fact that she always had a long line was one of the reasons I got out of the markets.
Show threadauthor_is_ShrikeTron🔠💉x5Jun 7, 2023

@augieray Let those who thought their "natural immunity" would dealt with #SARS2 eat cookie dough all they want.

You can lead a horse/camel to water…

Show threadColin FryJun 7, 2023
@augieray There goes my plan to make a mask from raw cookie dough, I guess
Show threadMichael PorterJun 7, 2023
@augieray Losing faith in these people... People in general, actually 😄
https://arstechnica.com/health/2023/05/covid-outbreak-at-cdc-gathering-infects-181-disease-detectives/
COVID outbreak at CDC gathering infects 181 disease detectives

Nearly all of the attendees were vaccinated, but 70% said they didn't mask.

Ars Technica
Show threadMickrob9777Jun 7, 2023

@augieray

Is there a community anywhere that still masks? (If so, I'd like to move there) I travel a lot and wherever I go I seem to be the only one wearing one

Show threadFirehorseart Lives!Jun 7, 2023

@Mickrob9777 @augieray

Japan did insist on masks and other COVID precautions until Apri/Mayl 2023.

Many restrictions in Japan have become optional now but most people still wear masks.

Show threadMickrob9777Jun 7, 2023

@srfirehorseart @augieray

Anything you know of in the U.S.?

Show threadFirehorseart Lives!Jun 8, 2023

@Mickrob9777 @augieray

My best guess (I'm in the UK) would be to look at current hospital admissions for areas with lower levels of transmission. They're either taking more precautions or have lower levels of risk.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/your-health/covid-by-county.html

Or start a new post.
Maybe tags like #CovidUSA and #covidmasks would help.

Good luck.

COVID by County

COVID-19 Community Levels help you decide your prevention steps.

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
Show threadspheruliticJun 7, 2023
@augieray how about USDA tells farmers to fucking vaccinate their chickens. There’s no reason we can’t have safe eggs except corporate farms don’t want to pay for it
Show threadKaryn CampbellJun 7, 2023
@tlduffy1962 @augieray My answer to that is don't eat it because you might get sick. That's a risk you take if you choose to eat it. As for COVID, it's still around and can strike at any time. For that reason, I still choose to mask in certain situations.
Show threadPinkeriteJun 7, 2023
@augieray Also, raw cookie dough is gross.
Show threadThomas H Jones IIJun 7, 2023
@augieray Somehow, I'm reminded of…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwa8PdtWapE&ab_channel=Chubbyemu
A Grandma Ate Cookie Dough For Lunch Every Week. This Is What Happened To Her Bones.

YouTube
Show threadSteven BarnhartJun 7, 2023
@augieray and the flu stats? Way more. That is what it is now. An endemic. The answer to the risk is get vaccinated or continue wearing a mask. No one’s stopping you.
Show threadAugie RayJun 7, 2023

@StevenBarnhart Your data is incorrect. To compare apples to apples, here is the data from the CDC since October 1 (which is when flu season starts):

Flu deaths: 19,000 – 58,000
Flu hospitalizations: 300,000 – 650,000

COVID deaths: 100,000
COVID hospitalizations: 800,000

What makes someone enter someone else's thread with fake information that is easily disproven? Get informed before picking fights.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_cumulativehospitalizations_select_00

Preliminary In-Season 2021-2022 Flu Burden Estimates

CDC's weekly cumulative in-season estimates of flu cases, medical visits, hospitalizations and deaths in the United States.

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
Show threadSteven BarnhartJun 7, 2023

@augieray you aren’t being honest. The CDC estimates are only until April. So doing that math:

Deaths: 1128364-1058825 = 70k
Hospitalizations: 6,134,177 - 5,367,647 = 766k

Where did you get 100k deaths?

Not that different from the flu.

Show threadAugie RayJun 8, 2023
@StevenBarnhart The flu season is over. There have been little to no deaths or hospitalizations since April. Meanwhile, COVID is still mutating, infecting and killing people. There is no COVID season. That's what makes your insistence flu is worse incorrect.
Show threadSteven BarnhartJun 8, 2023
@augieray the WHO and CDC (actual doctors and scientists) agree that the pandemic is over and it’s not a concern like the flu.
Show threadAugie RayJun 8, 2023

@StevenBarnhart Also untrue.

WHO ended the global health emergency but warned: "The worst thing any country could do now is to use this news as a reason to let down its guard, to dismantle the systems it has built, or to send the message to its people that COVID-19 is nothing to worry about." https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-01577-x

A CDC study just warned that adults who aren’t current on their COVID boosters have "relatively little remaining protection" against hospitalization. https://www.foxnews.com/health/most-us-adults-declining-covid-boosters-cdc-warns-health-risks-relatively-little-protection

Daily briefing: COVID-19 is no longer an international health emergency

The World Health Organization has declared that COVID-19’s emergency phase is over. Plus, the New Horizons science team fights to keep control of the mission's future after Pluto.

Show threadSteven BarnhartJun 8, 2023
@augieray you never let your guard down. They also recommend you get yearly flu shots.
Show threadscottJun 7, 2023
@augieray fwiw the CDC appears to be talking about a pre-packaged cookie dough that has made 18 people sick and should be thrown away, and not cookie dough in general (although I'm sure they discourage that too). https://www.cdc.gov/salmonella/enteritidis-05-23/index.html
CDC: Salmonella Outbreak Linked to Raw Cookie Dough

Get the most up-to-date outbreak information here.

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
Show threadwanderer_jJun 8, 2023
@augieray The CDC totally screwed their credibility during COVID by constantly giving out conflicting information. I no longer trust their advice.
Show threadBananaRiderJun 8, 2023
@augieray Vegan cookie dough is safe to eat raw!
Show threadOldBrushNewPaperJun 8, 2023

@augieray I'm filing this right next to the "don't eat raw chopped beef" advisory.

(In Belgium, for a bit of context.)

Show threadTroubleJun 8, 2023

@augieray thank you for demonstrating the fallacy that because one thing is more important that we should not do anything else.

It's like saying that we should stop all medical research except into the top 10 killers because nothing else is important.

Furthermore, comparing COVID with food safety work is apples and oranges, they're very different types of work.

Show threadBob Blaskiewicz 🇺🇦 🇨🇦 🇬🇱Jun 8, 2023

@augieray

Breaking news: dozens of epidemiologists come down with salmonella after eating raw cookie dough at a CDC sleepover.

Show threadsi_iriniJun 8, 2023
@rjblaskiewicz @augieray
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