Patryk Wodziński
John GruberI spent about 30 minutes using/touring Vision Pro yesterday. Ask me anything.
Albert Kinng 
@gruber It can be useful for work? That’s my main interest.
William Key@albertkinng @gruber there is something sad about this question.
@williamkey123 @gruber I'm confused now. Are you referring to my desire to replace the current setup or the need to work on a new revolutionary device?
skry@skry @williamkey123 @gruber Not business expense, it’s more of business investment question. I want (or wish) to replace all my desk setup with a spatial computer. Only the ones who tried it, like Gruber can answer that honestly. Without any hidden interests.
@albertkinng @skry @williamkey123 Our limited and guided tour wasn’t enough to say definitely. But it certainly seems so.
@gruber @skry @williamkey123 Interesting. It seems quite promising. Having a clean desk with a wireless keyboard, a trackpad, and just the Vision Pro in one corner would be a game changer. Perhaps, when they enable Mac airplay screens to be opened side by side, it would truly become a viable alternative.
@albertkinng I guess I just feel sad that the first question you have for this revolutionary device is, can I use it to work? Can I spend $3500 so I can contribute more to the labor market? But I suppose it's more complex than that. If it makes your work more enjoyable or easier then maybe it's not sad.
@williamkey123 That's right. I've been using an iPad since it was first introduced and have upgraded it regularly. I have never used it to play games or watch movies; it's my primary work tool. I intend to keep buying iPads for the rest of my life as long as they continue to manufacture them.
Alberto Hermosillo@albertkinng @gruber right now, for me, the potential of doing work outside home with proper ergonomics would be a very compelling reason to switch. I only wonder about the precision of the input interface (say, for working in UI design tools).
Sqot@albertkinng @gruber I’m with you. My primary interest is for work. Lots of work space. No need for a mouse/tp with eye tracking. Entertainment would be a bonus
Holger Krupp@albertkinng @gruber depends on what work you do, no?
I‘m using VR and AR when designing industrial components for aircraft production. It’s quite useful there (in 2016 I even designed parts for aircrafts in VR - 27x faster than on a PC setup). The problem I see here is software support to integrate into the mainly Windows based toolchain we have in Aircraft design.
Scott Case@gruber Latency & connectiveness to the real world while wearing them? Will family members be able to share it - or the secure enclave pairs to a single user?
Ю ⁂@gruber Do you think this will be the new default personal computing in 10 years?
@yuliyan @gruber I have no doubts. It’ll be ten years better, but augmented reality is inevitable. The tech will get increasingly transparent: ski google > eyeglasses > contacts > implants — it’s inevitable. #visionpro is a big step. ,,, That quote about tech becoming indistinguishable from magic: we’re pretty used to it but I’m talking to a magical, glowing, talking stone I pulled out of my pocket (iPhone) right now to communicate with you and I don’t even know where you are.
@sqot @gruber Regarding it being inevitable...I do not think implants should be inevitable, unless your life depends on it. I also do not think that a stronger integration into the human body is a good thing. I'd rather want to see spacial interfaces being projected in plain sight, without wearables. #visionpro is virtualizing space and overlaying it into our sight. It's closer to a hallucination than to physical reality. Is a computer keyboard less spacial?
@yuliyan @gruber Folie à deux? Folie à tout le monde! Bring it! This also reminds me of the backlash against trains, “If God meant us to travel faster than 20 mph, He would have created faster horses.” #visionpro
@sqot
Ok let me apply the comparison you gave to my viewpoint. Implanting a computer in railway terms would be something along the lines of individualizing the mobile entity, e.g. screwing train wheels onto human feet, or - to use a real world example - the car. Individualized experiences tend to harm societies. I see a similar tendency when it comes to highly personalized computers.
@yuliyan @gruber I like the discussion. Here’s the thing: as people have freedom 2 choose, they choose isolation bec we’ve all been hurt by people, so 2 varying degrees we choose 2 protect ourselves fm people in isolating ways. I’ve spent a lot of time overseas in areas that r much less affluent than the US, & people are generally poorer, have fewer choices & more difficult lives, but are happier & closer to their families. The #visionpro being isolating will be a symptom not cause.
Miles Stevens
Martin Barron@gruber Feel any motion sickness?
Matt ⎊ 
@gruber the big question: Why? (In your estimation after touring it)
Russel Prouse
Simon Keating@gruber basic question - what does it plug into for power?
Keith Whamond@Psimonkey10 The battery has a USB-C port.
So‑Called Vaughn@Psimonkey10 @gruber Not that you asked me but: I read somewhere in the literature that your Mac’s Thunderbolt ports can power it, so I’m guessing most any Macbook (USB-PD) brick will suffice.
David Waite@Psimonkey10 @gruber My understanding from literature - headset to battery is a proprietary connector. battery has USB-C, which can be both used for recharging and for all-day use. No thunderbolt cables coming out of the side of your head, though.
ApparentlyDan@Psimonkey10 @gruber Battery pack or ac/dc
mattd@Psimonkey10 @gruber you plug an USB-C Cable into the small “power bank” that is attached to the headset which then also charges the brick + powers the headset at the same time.
@mattd @Psimonkey10 @gruber This is important as the #visionpro powers off of the battery is disconnected. So plugging the battery pack into the wall (and bat. to device) gives power continuity if one needs to move away from the outlet.
@Psimonkey10 The battery pack has USB-C in for power.
Michael Adria@gruber What are notifications like?
Alex Jordan@gruber How's the weight?
Stephen Uffelman@gruber How is the field of view? Do the displays update at 90 Hz or 120 Hz?
Fogmeister
Max@gruber does it run Xcode?😂
Dr. Juande Santander-Vela@juandesant I know 🥱
@maxsz At least it is better that what you could do with the first iPads…
Brandon Kelly@gruber can it be used as an external monitor while your laptop is closed?
DJDarren@brandon @gruber Unfortunately, I’ll be needing to use the MS RDP client to remote into a Windows AVD for work, but I expect that to work well. It works well with iPad, so I expect it to work better with #visionpro
Applewise
Thibaut Sailly@gruber how many tabs did you open in Safari?
DHa@gruber Do you have to shut it down to swap battery packs? Or can they be hot swapped?
James O’Loughlin@crichton007 @gruber yes curious about the battery handling process too. I think the MagSafe is designed to lock in place by turning it. But yea if you need to swap batteries what do you do?
@jamesoloughlin @gruber I’m curious because I don’t see how the headset will make the estimated 2 hours streaming Avatar in 3D
@crichton007 @gruber guess the solution for that is just plug it into a wall. 😏
@crichton007 @jamesoloughlin By watching while plugged in.
Jonathan Reed@gruber @crichton007 @jamesoloughlin Can you plug it into any battery pack, I wonder? Like one of those humongous ones from Anker or the like…
Or even daisy chain into the usb c port on the stock battery pack.
Or even daisy chain into the usb c port on the stock battery pack.
@jonathanreed @gruber @crichton007 @jamesoloughlin the battery pack has a USB-c port, so any USB-c power source should work (as long as it supports the needed wattage)
@sqot @gruber @crichton007 @jamesoloughlin That’s what I assumed but you never know with Apple. There may be technical restrictions/compatibility.