Mastodawn

Reddit is totally pulling a Twitter.

I'd say a Reddit client is at least technically possible, unlike Twitter, but pricing would have to be around $10/month which really reduces the # of users that would be willing to pay to where it may just not be financially viable.
https://old.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/13ws4w3/had_a_call_with_reddit_to_discuss_pricing_bad/

📣 Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing. Bad news for third-party apps, their announced pricing is close to Twitter's pricing, and Apollo would have to pay Reddit $20 million per year to keep running as-is.

Hey all, I'll cut to the chase: 50 million requests costs $12,000, a figure far more than I ever could have imagined. Apollo made 7 billion...

reddit

“The enterprise tier is a privilege that we will extend to select partners based on a number of factors, including value added to redditors and communities, and it will go into effect on July 1.”
Thank you sir, may I have another.
https://old.reddit.com/r/redditdev/comments/13wsiks/api_update_enterprise_level_tier_for_large_scale/

API Update: Enterprise Level Tier for Large Scale Applications

Posted in r/redditdev by u/FlyingLaserTurtle • 0 points and 30 comments

reddit

The thing that bothers me most about this Reddit stuff is the Gaslighting. If you are going to kill off all clients, just own it. Don't lie and say you value 3rd party clients and then act like they should be thankful for your over priced, unsustainable access plans.

More Reddit gaslighting. You can't really compare two different apps that may have widely different user bases. If anything they should compare the Reddit app vs Apollo, but even that isn't a fair comparison.

If Reddit honestly wants to support 3rd party apps, change the pricing model completely.
Free Advice:
Charge per active user per day, not API calls.
Add fair per user rate limits.
Promise API parity.
Give devs 2-3 months to implement these changes.

https://old.reddit.com/r/redditdev/comments/13wsiks/api_update_enterprise_level_tier_for_large_scale/jmmptma/

API Update: Enterprise Level Tier for Large Scale Applications

Posted in r/redditdev by u/FlyingLaserTurtle • 0 points and 757 comments

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Matt Gagle Jun 3, 2023

@paul it’s pretty obvious that they are trying to kill off 3rd party apps without doing it directly.

Christopher Evans Jun 3, 2023

@paul <gallery type=“peanut”>Have premium Reddit accounts. They can use apps. If needed, rate limit the user.</gallery >

@becomingwisest basically. Like I would have paid Twitter to be able to continue to use Tweetbot.

Instead, now I'm using Adblock and web Twitter rather than the app.

For Reddit, I'll probably just stop if I can't use Apollo as Reddit just doesn't have a usable mobile browser interface.

Matt Jun 3, 2023

@paul just charge users directly if they want to be able to use 3rd party apps. That’s it. Done.

Chris Adamson Jun 3, 2023

@paul At any rate, Reddit has clearly declared that the enshittification has begun, and the company is committed to it. Instead of debating details, all of us users should come to grips with the idea that the platform’s best days are now behind it.

Michael Cook Jun 3, 2023

@paul Just let Reddit subscribers use the API. They’re already paying.

Want a 3rd party app? You have to subscribe.

The 3rd party app space won’t be as big, but at least it can still exist.

Nick McGuire Jun 3, 2023

@paul wow that post is not well considered. I can’t believe they would disparage third party apps (ignoring Alien Blue of course) and Apollo specifically 🤮

John Davis Jun 3, 2023

@paul I can’t believe they tripled-down and used data caused by their own outage.

https://reddit.com/r/redditdev/comments/13wsiks/_/jmolrhn/?context=1

API Update: Enterprise Level Tier for Large Scale Applications

Posted in r/redditdev by u/FlyingLaserTurtle • 0 points and 1,827 comments

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Mark Biswas Jun 3, 2023

@paul All of the Reddit app devs have announced the pricing won’t work for them, even the so-called “efficient” ones. I don’t understand why Reddit won’t admit what they’re doing, instead of hiding behind patently false arguments absolutely nobody is buying.

Holger Krupp Jun 3, 2023

@paul i always wondered if Twitter (and Reddit) should charge the enduser for the API usage instead of the app developer. I would have payed my 5 or 8€ for Twitter if it would enable API access to be used with Tweetbot.

Gerty Steinblatt Jun 3, 2023

@paul
"You are our business model, we sell you like carrots in the supermarket, but we also traffic all your carrot data to huge corporations and pimp you out to attract advertisers who pay us for your carrot clicks. But aaaall these operations are sooooo expennnnsivvvve! [whiney whingey whine] So now we're charging our carrots for the privilege of being sold, pimped out & data trafficked. Oh wait, that's you. We value your custom. Thank you for using Redditt!"

Olav Jun 3, 2023

@paul
Their argument is "LLM scraping" which is BS because it's not difficult to add a registration system for user apps like Apollo to be exempt.

Except it's about money. They think this will provide a positive revenue stream leading up to their IPO. They're wrong like Twitter is wrong. I doubt forcing people to the native app will have any appreciable effect.on ad revenue

@paul spot on! Almost like you’ve done this before…

Semmelstulle Jun 3, 2023

@paul yes please.
I can't ditch Reddit like I did with Twitter though. Reddit is way too practical for nicht questions and usually the best place to find hacks and workarounds.