Yo this is getting boosted enough that I'm getting a lot of replies talking about the technical precautions that are taken to make this safe so let me be clear:
Folks like me were talking about how nervous it makes us that tech companies are keeping so much data on stuff like locations and even menstruation cycles. Folks like you called us paranoid.
Then states made abortion illegal & immediately police started subpoenaing that data to arrest women.
You're wrong. Consistently and dangerously.
The precautions that tech companies put in place (because historically they're so very careful right?) are irrelevant when the people trying to bypass those precautions have the threat of state-sanctioned violence backing them up implicitly.
"Unlock your phone so I can make sure that isn't a lock screen wallpaper"
See how easy that was? They can say whatever the fuck they want.
You ever try to "show your ID" by leaving it in your wallet? They make you take it out. Why? Because fuck you.
You know what you can't be doing if you hand your phone to a police officer, whether it remains locked on the ID or not?
You can't be recording the police officer on that phone.
So let me say it real loud for the people at the back who think that the convenience of not carrying a 10mm piece of plastic is worth putting folks who are disproportionately targeted by police in even greater risk:
DO NOT PUT YOUR FUCKING STATE ID ON YOUR FUCKING PHONE.
Here's a case where a man got shot for reaching for his phone, the officer involved thought it was a gun.
"Hold on sir, don't unlock that. There have been reports of people triggering explosives with their phones. Hand it to me and give me your passcode."
This is easy as fuck. I could come up with 10 bullshit excuses to make you unlock your phone in as many minutes.
Don't give cops a reason to take your phone. Your recording is likely your only protection.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/22/us/sacramento-police-shooting/index.html
Goddamn even if the cops leave the phone locked to view the ID, they'll just pocket the phone afterwards and "give it back to you when we're done here" - you willingly handed it over to them, they can keep it.
Now they know you can't be recording them. You want to hand over the one thing that they know might keep them honest?
Are people just not paying attention? How the fuck can anyone be in favor of this? You want your ID on your phone so bad, get a sticky ID holder and slap it on the back.
@rodhilton Louisiana, the first state with a digital ID available for every state citizen, addressed this from the start.
At the same time they authorized the digital ID, they passed a law saying that the cops cannot take the phone just for showing them the ID.
@olikami @rodhilton Over here you have your ID, which is a card that might or might not also contain your driver's license.
You ALSO have a strong "Mobile ID", that is just a very good 2FA that is issued to you by your BANK (same app for all banks), not your government, and can be used to quick-ID you at your online banking, your online unemployment office or whatever. But it has nothing visible "ID-ish" on it, no picture, no social security number... you never use it in the physical world.
@olikami @rodhilton You do not have to carry ID, at least in my country (Canada).
(Of course, if you're _driving_ then you need a driver's license, which is also most people's ID, so often this is somewhat academic, but ...)
Nor your driver licence etc.
Good point!
I also recommend adding the ACLU's free #MobileJustice app for the state you are physically in (remember traveling states, too). The app will automatically send the video to the #ACLU.
https://www.aclu.org/issues/criminal-law-reform/reforming-police/mobile-justice
@rodhilton
Also, just to be clear, a picture of a state issued ID is not a replacement of the actual, physical ID. It won't work for situations that require an ID. When I worked for a liquor store, I routinely refused sales to people who only had pictures of their ID, because an ID is required for a sale and a picture ain't one.
If you give a cop your phone with a picture of your ID on it, then he has your phone, but he'll still want your ID.
@rodhilton +9001%
Also:
ALWAYS #FilmCops & #LivestreamCops so they can't hide their #violence or falsefully claim "acting in self-defense" when they are are almost always the aggressors!
@rodhilton
Be Aware: Mother and daughter were arrested in a Republican state, because Police were able to get transcripts of things they said in their home while a device was on.
Device recorded their speech, made transcripts, police got private home discussion between women on health, and were arrested.
Alexa or Siri sent these women to jail, for talking as women have talked for centuries, millennia, and will talk forever.
♀ <- get rid of listening devices, and Republican governments
#♀
@rodhilton the law recently passed in NJ on license & registration on a phone explicitly says showing it does not provide the right for cops to see anything else on the phone.
I still would not do it.
@rodhilton Yeah, I think we feel like "Spooner in "I Robot":
@rodhilton Right there with you. It’s not paranoia, it’s understanding the institutions that govern and the people who choose to be part of that institution.
No, I’m not handing my communications, calendar, images, and location data over just to show my DL.
“Folks like me were talking about how nervous it makes us that tech companies are keeping so much data on stuff like locations and even menstruation cycles. Folks like you called us paranoid.”
Eigentlich hören sie einfach nicht zu. Sie sind viel zu beschäftigt damit, youtube und twitch zu scheuen, ihr essen zu instagrammen, sich auf facebook über facebook aufzuregen, auf whatsup katzenvideos in elterngruppen zu senden.
@rodhilton I get your point. Was just saying, you aren’t required to unlock or hand it over. I’m sure that’s a large part of the reason only 3 states have that system implemented.
It won’t happen overnight, but the people building and implementing these systems aren’t blind to those risks.
@mjfgates @Rycaut exactly. If you think a technical solution could exist you're solving the wrong problem.
No matter what software is on the device, you're handing your phone to a cop. So you're not recording them on it, and they know that. You're not calling a lawyer, you're not calling 911 for a supervisor. You've given up your greatest weapon.
And any tech solution that lets them scan it without handing your phone over? "oh that's not working, just hand me your phone"
@Rycaut @rodhilton We already have a solution: keep the id on a plastic card in your wallet.
If the only thing you want to carry is your phone, make a phone case that has a slot for your ID.
@rodhilton are you sure? I can bring up my credit cards with my phone locked down, I have to unlock it to use them.
I believe I can see my tickets with my phone locked. Can you explain?
@scerruti none of these technical details are relevant. Cops can just tell you to unlock it.
If your hand your phone to a police officer that suspects you of a crime enough to demand your ID, you are making a mistake. That's the point.
Setting oneself up to tightrope walk this situation properly by storing your ID on a phone is a very bad idea that shifts more power to police.
@rodhilton IDs are only available in phones with lock enabled (like tap to pay), ability to scan a QR code or use NFC so it doesn't require handing your phone over. It is my understanding that police can force you to unlock your phone except if you are using a PIN and that is why Google has a quick lockdown to support requiring PIN access.
There is even mention of multiple security levels for health insurance cards.
@scerruti no offense but your take is extremely naive. This will be abused by police, no amount of "but not if everyone follows the rules" is a sufficient rebuttal.
"You need to unlock it so I can verify it's not just a wallpaper with a fake id"
Like, they lie. They will coerce and trick people into handing over unlocked phones because people are afraid and they have a gun. Denying all of this and pretending technical solutions are adequate is to be disconnected from reality.
@scerruti Your credit card example doesn't work because the barista doesn't want to look at your unlocked phone to find evidence of crimes, they just want you to pay for your coffee.
They aren't rewarded for being able to charge you more by getting access to your phone, and if they were to do so they wouldn't be protected by the system for rifling through it.
The barista doesn't have a gun on their hip or a threat of jail for noncompliance behind the interaction.
Shit, man. Pay attention.
@CauseOfBSOD how are you not understanding?
You hand the phone over, and they just demand you unlock it or unpin it or whatever, with some bullshit excuse.
And I love the concept that a police officer demanding to see your ID is going to afford you "3 extra seconds"
None of these technical solutions are adequate. You put your ID on your phone, and you give the cops a reason to take it.
That's a stupid thing to do, and no amount of Android settings will change it.
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