“Women didn’t get the right to vote ...by voting.”
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@RadicalGraffiti Art appears to be from the graphic novel "Suffrajitsuu", about how Miss Pankhurst's women took martial arts training. Worth reading.
@RadicalGraffiti Edith Garrud! She was the Jujitsu Suffragist.

@RadicalGraffiti Good illustration of a hip throw here. look where her right leg is; she's stepped forward during it, or this wouldn't work at all.

…Sorry, got distracted.

@RadicalGraffiti c'est du judo non ?
@gruik @RadicalGraffiti du jiu-jitsu pour être précis. Des suffragettes anglaises ont été entraînées à cet art martial importe directement d’Asie.
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@[email protected] Art appears to be from the graphic novel "Suffrajitsuu", about how Miss Pankhurst's women took martial arts training. Worth reading.

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@RadicalGraffiti British suffragettes were a terrorist organisation. At least 5 people died and at least 24 were injured in bomb and arson attacks. They stopped terrorist attacks with the beginning of WWI when men were drafted to war.

cc: @AubreyDeLosDestinos

@RadicalGraffiti And sadly, voting does not achieve anything any more as evidenced by the large number of career politicians.
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I love the idea of Victorian suffragettes using judo on flat-footed cops.
@moliver @RadicalGraffiti They were taught ju-jitsu (much more effective) because the cops kept sexually assaulting them.
WanderingBeekeeper (@[email protected])

@[email protected] Art appears to be from the graphic novel "Suffrajitsuu", about how Miss Pankhurst's women took martial arts training. Worth reading.

The Wandering Shop
@RadicalGraffiti ➡️ Hominoj ne gajnis la rajton voĉdoni... per voĉdoninte.
@RadicalGraffiti Exactly, we must fight back!
@RadicalGraffiti Yeah. Women in France got the right to vote because de Gaulle’s government in exile decided to give it to them in the middle of WWII.
@RadicalGraffiti ...actually they did in Switzerland. Later than in other countries.

@JohannWaldvogel @RadicalGraffiti well, actually ;)

it took 3 attempts to convince the men to give voting powers to women, and it succeeded half a century later than most other countries.

"just wait until we can shame the ruling class to give us voting (let alone equal) rights" only is a good strategy if you have time, lots of time, and the rest of the world has already accepted your stance as de-facto standard.

@phatt @RadicalGraffiti You forgot to mention a breach of constitution in Appenzell by the federal court to overrule the cantonal popular vote. But yeah, that's the downside of real democracy: It takes longer than to simply create some elite consensus. On the other hand, sometimes elites and/or revolutionaries are wrong. And not all revolutions end in a better state than they departed. And masses may even be persuaded or hysterically overreacting as well ... argh, dammit, it's always humans.

@JohannWaldvogel @RadicalGraffiti I'm sure those were not the only shenanigans, but yes, it's even worse than just the three attempts of voting.

I agree that majority vote can be a good way to slow down change in some cases, but that requires the status quo being fair. expanding civil rights to a group should always default to yes independent of what a majority of people think, especially if the excluded group has no say in the matter (currently e.g. non-cititzens).

@phatt @RadicalGraffiti The definition of fairness is part of the overton window and may change. As civil rights (voting, social security, ...) usually are linked to civil duties (e.g. military service, taxes, ...) and imply some (usually longerm-) stake in the community/group, I do not tend favoring to auto-enable only the rights part to everybody and leave some subgroup to hold the rest of the bag. Admittedly, the more hands-on it gets, the fuzzier and harder, incl. immigration laws...

@JohannWaldvogel @RadicalGraffiti idk, many of these hurdles seem arbitrary, military service isn't done by everyone, but taxes are paid by all (except maybe at the very top). stake in community grows also when you get to participate as equals, so that goes both ways.

Dangling rights in front of people by demanding duties seems backwards. it's not like I ever would have passed those hurdles.

rights are the properties of humans, fulfilling duties varies by different abilities.

@phatt @RadicalGraffiti Basic human rights are usually given to all humans, but for political participation there are also some (not-so-)arbitrary hurdles similar as for duties: Mentally ill, underage or convicted persons usually do not have full civil (/voting) rights.

Nation states are a bit like clubs in the way that just asking to get things will not work: You need also some investment from the inviduals beyond revolutionary outrage, petitions and demands to choose about things.

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And we may not be able to keep our vote by voting.
@RadicalGraffiti that's right! because men voted to allow them to vote.
@RadicalGraffiti Relevant for the referendum coming up in November in Australia on #TheVoice to parliament. https://voice.gov.au/ #UluruStatement #AusPol #makarrata

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In fact, in England in 1918, wealthy women over 30 were given the right to vote as a reward for abandoning feminism in 1914 and working diligently in the war economy.