Alx πPanel 3 - Rita Verma: 'We can't have the world economic order being dictated by economists and engineers'
Loving how she is emphasising the centrality of the cultural pillar of sustainability and the call for a transdisciplinary approach
Panel 3 - Raj Patel: 'Degrowth needs a place, and you need to fight for it' and 'What kind of EU do we want to engage with degrowth, it depends on what the EU is'
'We need to be materialist to avoid to engage in magical thinking'
Panel 3 - Raj Patel: 'If the care economy is bought by colonialism than I'm not particularly thrilled about it'
Panel 3 - Lebohang Liepollo Pheko: 'We all have indigeneity'
this was in the context of reforming language with more precise word like 'displaced communities', 'marginalised' and 'exploited'
Panel 3 - Lebohang Liepollo Pheko: 'Bear in mind that 'Human Rights' were constructed in a moment when part of the world were not even considered fully human'
'We need to recognised the problems we carry on with ourselves'
Panel 3 - @jasonhickel 'We need an Ecological Proletariat' built on alliances between students, environmentalists and political movements
Panel 3 - Lebohang Liepollo Pheko: 'There are ONG and aid and humanitarianism concepts that reproduce othering'
Panel 3 - Raj Patel: 'We have an issue of what we mean as technology'
A break now. Thank you for all following this thread. See you back this afternoon.
Welcome back. Panel 5 is just starting and I'll try to do my best while keeping up with my everyday work.
This panel is about finance welfare systems #BeyondGrowth
This panel is about finance welfare systems #BeyondGrowth
Panel 5 - Juliana Wahlgren: 'The current welfare system is not working because it benefit only a small part of people, works only in emergency, and doesn't address social service'
'All is done to alleviate poverty, not to eradicate poverty'
'If we want to move beyond growth we need to think who owns our economy'
Panel 5 - Milena Buchs: 'There is a mutual relationship between growth and welfare'
'Welfare beyond growth needs to be designed on a completely economic system'
Panel 5 - @timparrique 'Can we afford degrowth? This is a problematic start, because we have no choice (...) Whatever the cost of degrowth today, it is less than the cost of the collapse of tomorrow'
Panel 5 - @timparrique 'Money is not the real limiting factor in the transition, resources are'
Panel 5 - @timparrique 'Economic growth is for increase the cost of welfare system'
'Growth is design to make the price goes up'
'We need a cap on the price of essential service to decouple welfare from growth'
Panel 5 - @timparrique 'It is not a production problem, it's an allocation problem'
Not entirely agree, but there is some truth in here
Panel 5 - Simone D'Alessandro 'We need policies that support and sustain workers during the transition'
Panel 5 - Milena Buchs: 'We need to think about freedom and the different of 'freedom to' and 'freedom from''
we need to protect the freedom of others
Panel 5 - @timparrique 'Everything is already rationed, because a lot of people already don't have access to a lot goods'
'We need to decommodify essential good so that rationing becomes a political rationing and to instead one controlled by purchase power'
Panel 5 - Simone D'Alessandro: 'It's not a problem of narrative, we need solutions to sustain workers that will loose their jobs'
'We are a rich society that can afford a transition'
Panel 5 - Philippe Lamberts: 'Democracies are fragile, but if they will not make they right choices they will bury themselves'
'We need to restore trust between people and policymakers'
'It's too late to change smoothly, but we can still do it in an organised way'
Panel 5 - @timparrique finally giving some clarification on the meaning of local currency (though I remain sceptical about it)
Panel 5 ends and I think some nice ideas have been thrown, though I would have liked some more concrete proposals, which I feel is mostly what is lacking now.
However, the panel focused a lot on labour and workers struggles, especially on resistance as transition are - no matter what - disruptive, and that's a good reality check that is often overlook in street activism.
See you for the closing plenary
#BeyondGrowth #ClimateDiary #degrowth
Plenary 2 starts with Aurore Lalucq introducing us in French to remember that we are a diverse community. I appreciate it, but I might be slower as I have to translate her speech from French. I wonder if all speaker will use their own language (which would be great, tbh)
Plenary 2 - Maros Ε efΔoviΔ: 'The debate beyond GDP must be an open one, and it must be a continuous dialogue amid all stakeholders'
Plenary 2 - Kate Raworth taking off with a fantastic rubber pipe going up representing 'the shape of progress'
Plenary 2 - Romina Boarini: three reasons to think about wellbeing in this context:
Why: our society is not thriving because of increasing inequalities and spread of mental illnesses. The most vulnerable, the youngs and the elderlyare the one paying the cost'
Plenary 2 - Romina Boarini:
How: OECD wellbeing framework that includes all a series of criteria, and it focuses not only on the average numbers, but also on how they are distributed
Plenary 2 - Romina Boarini:
What type of policies:
- job creation: high quality jobs (high security and stability)
- going beyond the short-term pragmatic approaches
'Big system change can only come with big decision in governance'
Plenary 2 - Florence Jany-Catrice
'we need a collective introspection on the role of numbers in our decision making-process'
Plenary 2 - Florence Jany-Catrice
we need an agreement on what need to be measured'
Plenary 2 - Giorgos Kallis finally introduces the concept of the #pluriverse and uses the #South concept applied to Southern Europe (I have really a lot to say about it but in another post!)
Pauline von Hellermann@alx I loved Giorgos #Kallis' talk just now! - about the already existing #Degrowth practices in #Ikaria #Greece. Especially as this is exactly what I think and write about too, and where, again, I feel anthropology and in particular #HistoricalEcology can make a massive contribution. In fact, let me share here a thread I did about this a while ago here. There are already existing #Degrowth practices throughout the world #ClimateDiary
Pauline von Hellermann (@[email protected])
Attached: 1 image 1/52 Good to see this Guardian Long Read, but as a historical ecologist I would like to add: humans do not just either stay within boundaries or destroy nature. It's often been a positive, dynamic human-nature symbiosis, with humans actively shaping and creating forests & #biodiversity #historicalecology β here a (long!) thread with examples from across the world https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/nov/25/cop15-humans-v-nature-our-long-and-destructive-journey-to-the-age-of-extinction-aoe
@pvonhellermannn yes, but we shouldn't romanticise none of those knowledges. They are full of struggles and also of very questionable constructs. This is what I like about Kallis. His book 'Limits' is a very good example on how taking inspiration, establishing dialogue, and trying to understand other knowledge doesn't mean to idealise them (which as Liepollo Pheko was recalling today, it's still an act of 'othering')
@alx agree completely; huge anthro lit critiqueing both the romanticisation as well as appropriation of ideas of indigenous knowledge. That's kind of how i came to all this. but i have reached a point where i am really tired of all the academic critiquing too, especially when the vast majority of people are not even aware of other possibilities right within their reach. And yes, of course many struggles, but those are really in all economic models for most people, apart from super privileged
@pvonhellermannn I'm very sorry Pauline, but I am quite tired today (following the conf/microblogging/writing my annual monitoring report for my PhD) and I'm not fully understanding your last part. Are you saying that other knowledges are within the reach of people without even realising it? (I'm genuinely asking because I really feel my brain is a bit overloaded today!)
@alx if you read fhe thread i shared, you get some idea. Iitβs framed around biodiversity fostering practices but there is a lot of overlap with alternative prosperity and degrowth. I mean agro-ecological practices throughout the world, including UK, that still exist or were only recently abandoned so not that difficult to revive. All this to say that transition not so hard if we think of degrowth practices not as alien but really still quite close. To rephrase Latour: we have never been 1/2
@alx 2/2 completely modern. We did a first small workshop around this with @RadicalAnthro in March - Camilla sorry I donβt seem to have saved the link, can you share it here perhaps?
Btw was thinking of this again listening to this interview with Razan Khalifa Al Mubarak, where she talks about how oil in #UAE was only discovered in 1964 - SO recent. Before that all nature-based culture and economy
https://www.outrageandoptimism.org/episodes/climate-and-nature-one-and-the-same
Good morning @pvonhellermannn and @RadicalAnthro thank you for your insights, I participated to that seminar online. I noted down your comments, and would love to follow the conversation, though later, as I need to carry on with some work before the conference starts again today. Maybe we can even think on an in depth 'debriefing, comments, and insights' after the conference, I'll be happy to contribute, here or in another format
@alx @RadicalAnthro yes! In fact was thinking this too - maybe you could present at our next workshop, that would be great!
@pvonhellermannn @RadicalAnthro I'll be happy to contribute, keep me in the loop in case you decide to do one on degrowth. I can also tie it more with my research on craft cultures.
ana vldv@alx @pvonhellermannn @RadicalAnthro Thanks for this conversation! I'm actually investigating the environmental impact of AI infrastructure (aka lithium mines, data centres, etc.) in marginalised territories. And also examining the oxymoron of AI°rowth.
Would love to be in touch with you and participate in any event you might organise!