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Sundae_GurlStopping gun violence is such a complex issue that only every other advanced nation in the entire world has figured it out.
The Cat Herder"'No Way to Prevent This', Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens"
paul
Pete@amiserabilist @Sundae_Gurl Men striking women is frowned upon in our culture, but that is one face I would deliver a massive slap to, given the chance. “Attention-Whore” and the other kind, too.
Pēteris Krišjānis@Sundae_Gurl how to do this without a) destroying completely useless industry and b) not removing dream for about 35% people of some day raising up and destroying liberals?
Darrel PlantStatement: “The Constitution is not a suicide pact!”
Analysis: TRUE. It’s only the Second Amendment, and it’s more of a murder/suicide pact.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Constitution_is_not_a_suicide_pact
MyOpinion@Sundae_Gurl Funny if it was not so sad. Give every idiot a gun what could go wrong.
John Meadows@Sundae_Gurl To stop gun violence in the US would require admitting at least the possibility that the American way is not always the best way, which flies in the face of American Exceptionalism.
Dave Lane 
🇳🇿@Jgmeadows @Sundae_Gurl bingo. As a yank watching the US deteriorating from afar, seems to me we're seeing what happens when the least principled are put in positions of power. Everyone with sound principles & sufficient wisdom (knowledge + judgement) to do the right thing is - quite rightly - too scared of mobs anti-intellectuals with guns.
Doreen32128 ready to rumble!@Sundae_Gurl SMDH!!! Money has poisoned our country! Greedy money changers!
gmoke@Sundae_Gurl "Stopping gun violence is such a complex issue that only every other advanced nation in the entire world has figured it out."
You mean like universal healthcare and paid family leave?
You mean like universal healthcare and paid family leave?
Britstralian@Sundae_Gurl "Advanced"? Perhaps for the top percent or so... but for the rest, it's hard to argue America is first world.
No healthcare for most.
Little social welfare.
Insanely expensive tertiary education.
Crumbling infrastructure.
Book bans.
Declining rights for women.
Huge discrepancies in education funding, depending on how rich your neighbourhood is...
No healthcare for most.
Little social welfare.
Insanely expensive tertiary education.
Crumbling infrastructure.
Book bans.
Declining rights for women.
Huge discrepancies in education funding, depending on how rich your neighbourhood is...
@Nigel_Lake @Sundae_Gurl the world's richest 3rd world country.
Laura@lightweight @Nigel_Lake @Sundae_Gurl The term 3rd world comes from the Cold War, meant non-aligned countries, so the US of course wasn’t one. There’s no reason to use that term now, or to use it as a synonym of poor. I’m in the third world right now, in a grocery store parking lot specifically, and I don’t fear being shot at.
@laescude @Nigel_Lake @Sundae_Gurl fair call. We could instead refer to the US as a banana republic.
wauz@Sundae_Gurl
Well. You can stop guns. But you can't stop violence by law.
Gun control won't solve the problems. The USA has social problems, that can't be solved by simple legislation.
@amarg
Well. You can stop guns. But you can't stop violence by law.
Gun control won't solve the problems. The USA has social problems, that can't be solved by simple legislation.
@amarg
RevJeber@wauz @Sundae_Gurl @amarg
You have to start somewhere, and it's much safer dealing with psychotic potential mass murderers if they lack the means to kill you.
You have to start somewhere, and it's much safer dealing with psychotic potential mass murderers if they lack the means to kill you.
@jeber
Well, even with strict gun control like in Germany, it is possible to buy weapons on black market. As an example: the Munich shopping mall OEC attack.
The crucial point is not the gun, it's the will to kill. Most German attacks are committed with kitchen knives, and that leads to death toll either.
After all, it's a multi factor problem, and therefore it is necessary, to analyse that properly.
@Sundae_Gurl @amarg
Well, even with strict gun control like in Germany, it is possible to buy weapons on black market. As an example: the Munich shopping mall OEC attack.
The crucial point is not the gun, it's the will to kill. Most German attacks are committed with kitchen knives, and that leads to death toll either.
After all, it's a multi factor problem, and therefore it is necessary, to analyse that properly.
@Sundae_Gurl @amarg
@wauz @Sundae_Gurl @amarg
We’ll never remove guns completely. But reducing their number is a reasonable goal. Humanity enjoys killing each other too much to eliminate all means of homicide.
We’ll never remove guns completely. But reducing their number is a reasonable goal. Humanity enjoys killing each other too much to eliminate all means of homicide.
@jeber
Well, before we decide to focus on one of several topics, we should assess the effort/benefit ratio. In the US, with so many fed states, it is a hard struggle to get a strict gun control. If you see the guns per person ratio and compare it to countries with stricter laws, you might wonder if number of homicides are not rather low in the US.
Most gun owners don't kill.
Another problem: most homicides are committed with illegal guns. Astonishingly, the number of illegal weapons is much higher than in countries with strict gun controll.
Those mass shootings are more related to mental health than gun ownership. My conclusion: good access to health care, both physically and mental, will do a better job than gun controll.
Though it is strange for us European, that you can buy an assault rifle at shopping malls in the US.
@Sundae_Gurl @amarg
Well, before we decide to focus on one of several topics, we should assess the effort/benefit ratio. In the US, with so many fed states, it is a hard struggle to get a strict gun control. If you see the guns per person ratio and compare it to countries with stricter laws, you might wonder if number of homicides are not rather low in the US.
Most gun owners don't kill.
Another problem: most homicides are committed with illegal guns. Astonishingly, the number of illegal weapons is much higher than in countries with strict gun controll.
Those mass shootings are more related to mental health than gun ownership. My conclusion: good access to health care, both physically and mental, will do a better job than gun controll.
Though it is strange for us European, that you can buy an assault rifle at shopping malls in the US.
@Sundae_Gurl @amarg
@wauz @Sundae_Gurl @amarg
Most illegal weapons were once legally owned weapons before they were stolen.
This is not an either/or situation. We should be able to increase mental health care while at the same time passing sensible gun licensing, training, and insuring laws.
We also need to educate against the scare tactics of the right that have people being afraid to get a cup of coffee without packing.
Most illegal weapons were once legally owned weapons before they were stolen.
This is not an either/or situation. We should be able to increase mental health care while at the same time passing sensible gun licensing, training, and insuring laws.
We also need to educate against the scare tactics of the right that have people being afraid to get a cup of coffee without packing.
@jeber
Some sources I read told, that most illegal weapons were loophole guns, deliberately sold without registration. I never checked that, because US inner affairs get not most of my attention. However, my view from outside as a foreigner is, that the USA has a society of strict rules, based on obedience and conformity, and this sets the risk of amok behavior very high.
That's why I think, more rules and more strictness will not work the way it's expected.
Not to worry about food, housing, medical care and so on will, imo, create a more laid back attitude.
Probably Paul 🌍@Sundae_Gurl Except other nations have had guns, yet still not had a massacre every day! Australia had one huge massacre and introduced gun controls, as a result. One.
Also, you can't get rid of guns unless you disarm your cops, or you'll effectively be making marginalised groups even more vulnerable to police violence. The police should only have specialized and highly-trained firearms units.
Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE@BarrenPlanet @Sundae_Gurl I've seen armed cops with their hands hovering over their guns just dying for an excuse to shoot someone (USA), and I've seen armed cops acting as if they've completely forgotten that they're actually wearing a gun (several other countries).
Rick@Sundae_Gurl Trust me we're not perfect up here in the frozen north, but, we have a process. And take a wild guess where most of the illegal firearms come from.
@Ricks_Radio @Sundae_Gurl What concerns me is how sympathetic the CPC is to the Canadian gun fan contingent. CPC is fine with the spectre of a huge increase in gun violence, if it mean getting them into power.
Cryosleeper@Jgmeadows @Ricks_Radio @Sundae_Gurl does CPC want to change something in the existing licensing system in CA? Like, giving PAL to random people on the streets?
Andy@Sundae_Gurl Quote of the day. Ten out of ten.
Juggling With Eggs@Sundae_Gurl admittedly most developed countries act swiftly and as one when they experience massacres. US pleads it is a special case due to:
a) the 2nd amendment being ratified in 1791 and American society has apparently stood still ever since
b) there are so many guns in the US because of the 2nd amendment and fear of being shot, where could you possibly begin with restrictions?
c) US political parties can only ever agree on war
1st step: recognise its not 1791
Ambigram Art
realcaseyrollins ✝️@Sundae_Gurl Or “not advanced” whatever that would be.
Michael RothIT'S NOT SO MUCH THE PROHIBITION OF GUNS
... it's rather not letting anybody behind. homeless or uneducated
And America doesn't care much about either (having everybody have a safe sleeping place, or access to a good highschool education)
I rather like the Left, but they too are elitist, living in a luxury apartment, and not caring about the weaker half of the population
The Left won't solve America's problems either
Peter Butler@MichaelRoth @Sundae_Gurl There are people who talk the talk, and people who walk the walk, and there are plenty of both
I can assure you there are lots of people who care about the homeless and public education and are working tirelessly to help in the best ways they know how
There’s not enough of us or money to hire more. I love sports and TV/movies, but our priorities have been skewed for a while — teachers deserve more; schools deserve more; libraries deserve more; foster kids deserve more
Yeah, but that "more" is spent on luxury items instead of highschools or social housing
So apparently u're wrong with ur assumption that there's "plenty" of people caring about the aforementioned subjects
@MichaelRoth @Sundae_Gurl I would argue that there are “plenty” of people who care enough, but not enough people with wealth who care 🤷🏼
I hear basically NOTHING about people wanting to abolish homelessness or "bad quality" highschools
Sorry, it's just too few
@MichaelRoth @Sundae_Gurl I agree with you. Both “too few” and not nearly enough media coverage to promote those few people making efforts.
I’m not sure where you live, but I would bet there are organizations of people working to improve public schools
I live in Berlin, Germany
In the last 10 years rents exploded
The weaker half of the population virtually cannot find an apartment
The other half of the population drives around with 100000€-cars
In the news they barely talk about it
The solution is state-owned 500€-rent-apartments
The state has to take a huge credit
Build as many as needed
Pay back the credit over 30 years with the rents
But nobody comes up with sth like that
That's a nice article
But they're too few
And too weak
And anyway, I'd put the emphasis on housing, not on education
I think education will (hopefully) indirectly anyway increase manifoldly soon because of smartphones
@MichaelRoth @Sundae_Gurl I think there’s more people than we think, because they are generally not included in commercial media
for example, here’s a lot of people making a lot of noise, but no one hears them
https://sfstandard.com/video/watch-on-the-ground-on-the-first-day-of-the-oakland-teachers-strike/
To be honest, my priority is not education. I think smartphones are (luckily) solving that virtually by themselves now. Though it'll takes another 3 to 4 decades until the whole planet has at least a highschool degree
My priority is the housing crisis. I firmly believe, there must be free (or heavily subsidized 500$-) apartments
Once everybody is in that "safety" 90% of problems (violence, drugs, suicides, etc) will cease
CellyBlue@Sundae_Gurl ikr it seems they know something we know. But we not doing.
Doctor of Electricity@Sundae_Gurl Take away the AR-15 and its clones, and our gun violence statistics really improve. The AR is designed so almost any hit is a kill shot. It’s not like in the westerns where the guy says, “He only winged me.”
@ChiefofECT @Sundae_Gurl I agree. That’s an excellent mitigation factor in the short term — There’s a reason you can’t own a tank or anti-aircraft weaponry or mine or bombs or chemical weapons or bazookas ... the level of potential damage
I understand the concept of setting a limit on firepower and making it smaller through time, but I don’t think that will work overall. We need to ban guns or heavily regulate to safety. Or make ammunition prohibitively expensive
Stop That@Sundae_Gurl Hell, Japan banned knives over a certain length after a series of knife attacks in 2008.
@Sundae_Gurl It’s almost like making guns illegal reduces gun violence
JohnW@Sundae_Gurl The US has no problem being accused of stupidity, because they can use it to cover up their greed which is the underlying cause of the proliferation of guns in the first place.
DamnKimberlee@Sundae_Gurl the secret is to stop lawmakers from profiting from the gun industry.
CDunn@Sundae_Gurl
How come no one has drafted a constitutional amendment to repeal the 2nd that I can support?
Come on Dems! Act like this is serious!
How come no one has drafted a constitutional amendment to repeal the 2nd that I can support?
Come on Dems! Act like this is serious!
Psyber Senpai@Sundae_Gurl I absolutely think, automatics should be banned. Criminals that are committing organized crimes aren’t buying AR 15s to go shoot the mass. It’s usually the mentally ill or psychopaths with some vague hatred that’re causing mass shootings. And most of them are legally purchased AR rifles. That being said, handguns are fine, and we shouldn’t go for those, but automatics gotta go.
Unprecedented 2023@Sundae_Gurl We are working hard to slide down to the third world country.
John Howes@Sundae_Gurl As a Brit I mostly ignore US gun violence these days. It's clear nothing will be done about it.
As a logicalist, I can only draw one conclusion. The US government enacts a state sponsored cull of citizens, especially young citizens.
In the UK we had one mass shooting of children. After that we banned virtually all private gun ownership. Gun deaths in the UK are now close to zero.
CIWS-30@Sundae_Gurl To be fair, almost every other advanced nation is much smaller than ours, has a more unified population that's more similar to each other, and doesn't already have tons of guns already out there in the wild.
Plus a conservative law enforcement establishment that refuses to enforce many laws (especially ones to take back guns) even if they are passed.
Plus, I would argue that it's the great amounts of socialism in those other countries that keeps the peace, primarily.
@Sundae_Gurl That is to say, the higher amounts of equality and better social safety nets, including universal health care and less homelessness, etc. that makes people more sane and less likely to commit acts of violence.
All kinds of violence, including stabbings and driving cars into crowds, which also happen alongside all the shootings.
I'm for gun control, but until we do something about inequality, and the environment violence will still happen. It'll just use different means.
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DavidB🍥@Sundae_Gurl Let me fix this for you: "Stopping gun violence is such a complex issue that only advanced nations in the entire world have figured it out."