malenaApr 26, 2023
i feel like we're all "neurodivergent" and i'm tired of pathologizing different types of minds. especially when "neurotypical" happens to be the kind that advances capitalism from the rank and file most efficiently. when will we accept that everything falls on a spectrum, and that the narrow norms we've been living within are just the ones that push the most money up to the top?
Show threadKashif ShahApr 27, 2023

@seachanger there’s nothing inherently pathological about being neurodivergent or neurodiverse, for sure. i’m neurodivergent in at least a few different ways. but there is merit in recognizing when a specific condition causes specific, treatable problems with functioning.

for example, there are neurodivergences in the category of social behavior where an individual is extremely limited in the capacity to respect the rights of others.

when does it actually become a pathology?

Show threadPhoenixSerenityApr 27, 2023
@KashifShah @seachanger Perhaps when repeatedly harming others, with very little remorse or want to take personal accountability & it's a pattern of this. When you have enough experiences with toxic neurodiverse folks - you recognize red flags faster & remove the dangerous neurodiverse folks from your circles.
Show threadKashif ShahApr 27, 2023

@msquebanh @seachanger pretty much how i see it, too - have to protect one’s self - but how do we as a society bring those toxic folx back into the fold when they aren’t toxic anymore or are “acceptably” toxic?

in geopolitics, we can add and remove embargoes, and in criminal justice, we have parole, etc. but what about members of society who are experiencing mental health issues and have been rehabilitated?

do we need a system of support personnel to monitor them in society?

Show threadPhoenixSerenityApr 27, 2023
@KashifShah @seachanger Please look up: restorative justice models.
Show threadKashif ShahApr 27, 2023
@msquebanh @seachanger ahh, kk - I was vacuously familiar with that concept. so, i suppose then that what i’m thinking is that we need a parallel concept of “restorative mental healthcare”
Show threadKashif ShahApr 27, 2023

@msquebanh @seachanger thanks for that!

“Restorative practices also includes the use of informal and formal processes that precede wrongdoing, those that proactively build relationships and a sense of community to prevent conflict and wrongdoing.”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restorative_practices

Restorative practices - Wikipedia

Show threadPhoenixSerenityApr 27, 2023
@KashifShah @seachanger Yes. This is the model that I've used in restorative justice.
Show threadKashif ShahApr 27, 2023

@msquebanh @seachanger happen to have any poignant or salient posts abiut it from way back in your mastodon history that come to mind? i’d be happy to read those, too!

going to do some digging into that concept in the context of psychology. a basic web search didn’t uncover anything in the first few pages of results, so will have to break out the scholarly/academic search engines 🤓🖖

Show threadPhoenixSerenityApr 27, 2023
@KashifShah @seachanger Look up Indigenous justice models while you're digging. The main restorative justice models are shaped by Indigenous folks. Our villagers' family overseas uses similar restorative justice models.
Show threadKashif ShahApr 27, 2023
@msquebanh @seachanger kk, will do - that is interesting - i have much to learn about indigenous justice, but it is a topic that is close to my heart.
Show threadPhoenixSerenityApr 27, 2023
@KashifShah @seachanger I hope it becomes closer to heart - for all POC folks. I have to deal with some heavy decolonization efforts in my own family because some are so assimilated - they defend colonized crap. I'm the decolonization rebel in my extended family. My Mom is starting to understand why I'm so fierce w/rewilding & finally supporting my #permaculture efforts. Probably gonna do a vid on how colonizers brainwashed POC folks into lawn maintenance. #GrowFoodNotLawns
Show threadKashif ShahApr 27, 2023
@msquebanh @seachanger i only expect that it will. *shudder* i know some of that feeling having visited a tribal reservation in the states and seen how deep the assimilation can go: confederate flags being sold on belt buckles in a handmade goods store *shudder* i am not likely to ever be associated with any tribe, but maybe someday a genetic test would be invented that a tribe would find acceptable for some minimal level of affiliation. definitely @ me when you do make a vid
Show threadPhoenixSerenityApr 27, 2023
@KashifShah @seachanger I've been hella vocal here on how I loathe Indigenous sellouts & traitors to ancestors. I don't mince on my thoughts & feelings. It's also due to fact my family overseas got blindsided by village leaders. I've posted about how villagers were enraged when they found out. They marched in protest, burned down chief's complex. Torched his siblings' homes too. Not a single media outlet reported on that or much else in #GlobalSouth unless thousands died.
Show threadPhoenixSerenityApr 27, 2023
@KashifShah @seachanger Vietnam is one of the most censored developed nations in the world. We've had family members locked up, for decades, without any trial dates. Human rights violations being completely ignored to this day. I have family members deformed from #AgentOrange & many more who suffered still births & deformed babies. It's not OK. USA needs to fucking do more for using Agent Orange on citizens.
Show threadKashif ShahApr 27, 2023
@msquebanh @seachanger ugh, that’s so frustrating. i recently learned how bad the problem is with #UnexplodedOrdinance in Laos - sadly unsurprising but totally unacceptable to me that USA still has unexploded bombs embedded in the ground and even trees such that a farmer can get his eyes blown out cutting through a tree or that a child can get blown up making a fire to cook on. just utterly disgusting what rampant militarism does to innocents. 🤬 hell🔥for shit like that, i hope
Show threadPhoenixSerenityApr 27, 2023
@KashifShah @seachanger I had 2 of my Uncles - contracted through UN - die from old landmines. UN never provided them with any safety equipment. My Uncles literally went out w/old metal detectors - that's all UN gave them. I'm still fucking angry about this.
Show threadKashif ShahApr 27, 2023

@msquebanh @seachanger yeesh :( i don’t think that there’s an emoticon for how deeply that makes me frown.

the bomb expert on tv talking about the progress in removing unexploded ordinance in Laos was saying, in his estimation, it would take the concerted effort of a million people to finish the job in a reasonable time frame.

instead of death row, just send them out to clean up our leftover bombs and mines… 😡 i bet there are plenty who would volunteer, too, if we had a system

Show threadPhoenixSerenity
@KashifShah @seachanger my Uncles were the ones in sandals - finding & deactivating 245 land mines in just our tiny village lands alone. They were dropped in so many areas at once. UN will pay their ppl to go to war but not help war torn countries with massive safe landmines removals. I'm obviously pissed off. For good reason.
Apr 27, 2023 at 4:19amWeb
Show threadKashif ShahApr 27, 2023
@msquebanh @seachanger it’s truly unconscionable to be sending people out to do that kind of work without providing them means to mitigate the risk of being blown up. i’d be pretty pissed, too. i mean, seriously, for all the people that want to die by suicide, why not convince them to go after mines instead?