When this is over, we're going to owe Musk a debt of gratitude for demonstrating not just the folly of relying on sociopath billionaires to give us places to speak and collaborate.

He's demonstrated the danger inherent in all centralized services where one person or company can control what we say and do.

@dangillmor The word Musk hasn't had such a strong connotation of sickening stench about it since the popularity of Jōvan Musk perfume and cologne in the 1970s.

@alcinoe I gave away my age, didn't I. That's not even a question LOL

All Musk needs is a silky polyester shirt unbuttoned to his navel worn with polyester pants and he's Mr. 1977. Yeesh, the reek.

@femme_mal I guess I did too!
@alcinoe LOL I couldn't tell, you could have been young enough to have a father who refused to give up his disco lifestyle, still sported his porn 'stache until 2000.
@femme_mal
I just threw up in my mouth a little bit. Yet I can't stop snickering.
@alcinoe
@femme_mal @alcinoe He is the Herb Tarlek of billionaires.

@roannaflowers @alcinoe Oh ye gods and goddesses, yes, Musk is definitely all that and a bag of chips.

Though Tarlek didn't need hair plugs to cover his big, bloated ego.

@femme_mal @dangillmor mastodon should allow to ban posts based on a word, I find it crazy that after you switch to mastodon you end up reading more about him than elsewhere
@Suoko Mastodon's Filters are your friend. Go to Preferences under your Profile and add a filter to block content mentioning him or the bird app or whatever. I have a dozen filters set up blocking all kinds of stuff, especially that orange golf cheat.
@dangillmor
Exactly. A lot of people were hoping he would stop doing stupid things, but he won't.
Each new stupid provides a new opportunity to point out the problems.
@spocko
Obscenely rich people doing stupid things is dangerous.
@dangillmor

@dangillmor it's the _Atlas Shrugged_ we deserved

More like

Atlas ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Amirite

@dangillmor we subsidize his space program and let him play god on our launch pads. Am I the only one who hates this?
@dangillmor
I already knew that danger because of Fakebook and the nonsense that they pull all of the time...
@dangillmor I'd prefer to give him some attitude, you know 1 non-fascist to 1 fascist!
@dangillmor only one problem: will it be over? If so, what will remain of our democracies?
@vincentduke @dangillmor what remains of our democracies now? the courts long ago admitted that money is power and that’s constitutional; giving any power to women or immigrants or the victims of police brutality, is not; justices are literally above the law; corruption is baked in
@sarahgilbert @dangillmor To answer your question: sadly I would say "not a lot". So many people, so few citizens.

@sarahgilbert

It's so funny to see you guys considering your system a democracy.

Garymandering, political parties doing everything to prevent people form voting (since ever) and the list goes on and on.

Even when you talk about tw, have a look at this thread, you only see the US from the US. This is the intenet and the whole world is on tw.
Backdoors?

Well if "we" aren't affected ..

People that live in democracies look at your conversations and it's like ..

@vincentduke @dangillmor

@dangillmor @aral nobody is ever completely useless. They can always serve as a bad example.

@dangillmor he's done a lot for open source software, specifically mastodon.

We should give him some sort of award.

@dangillmor I'm confident we'll keep that in mind when we begin to crowd the next one.
@dangillmor and also these big corporations will collude with right-wing or other authoritarian politicians to deliver what's payed for regardless of some irritating democratic tradition the local peasants are attached to.

@hanscees

It doesn't even matter if it's "right-wing" or what ever. Monopolies always are about power. And power always empowers power and is ultimately accessed by those who crave for power. That's why "we" invented democracies and federation. And that's why "they" always come to undermine it cause of their desire for power.

"It's the setup, stupid!"
(no not you hanscees)

@dangillmor

@dangillmor

> He's demonstrated the danger inherent

Actually he only demonstrated it in excess. We have witnessed this over years and nobody cared personally enough by leaving.

fb responsible for genocide?

Who cares ..

Algorithms pinpointing people against each other?

Who cares ..

Goggles first page hit's creating centralization of knowledge and meaning.

Who cares ..

Yes, the twitter debacle is a stroke of luck. And actually only because it's stock value numbers didn't add up.

@dangillmor we don’t owe anything to people who say out loud what we already knew quietly
@Margarita @dangillmor especially people who are denying it the whole time it is oozing out of them
@dangillmor
I'll agree with your view once it's clear that he fails.
@dangillmor I think you have more faith in humanity's ability to learn from the past than I do.

@dangillmor

A great anti-rolemodel indeed… like Trump and Putin too…

@dangillmor
This is true. He made it plain as day. Mask/off.

@dangillmor

I am only gonna say "thank you" to that guy after he's been launched into the Sun.

I am thinking that, you know, maybe billionaires just should not exist.

I feel a bit Piketty about it.

Probably we need a progressive global tax on wealth. Strip away their inordinate power.

De-oligarch-ification!

@dangillmor
That is if we survive the disinformation being disseminated on that foul site long enough for us to find a place to replace it.
100% with your sentiment! But also, I hope the damage is not so much that it becomes infeasible. For example, Twitter these days actively encourages, at least in the context of India, the most populous electoral autocracy ruled by hard right religious fundamentalists and Fascists, right wing posts. This is a dangerous trend what they are doing in #India which sees daily violence and deaths of people en masse. Musk feigns he cannot do anything to stem the rot.
Arins Hub

@dangillmor @Bam If we get out of it with our societal values intact, that is.
@gimulnautti @dangillmor @Bam ... and, if not, whose fault is it then?

@pino @dangillmor @Bam I would place the blame a little on everyone..

Of course, the process of what ”racing to the bottom of the brainstem” does with social media has been new, and hard to see.

And the well-meaning starts of these companies did a good job of obscuring what happens when they turned their engagement maximisation -boosting algorithms to the max.

But the fact that we played along and took their game as a given, adapted to it even, that’s on us.

@gimulnautti
Well, I'm not smart, but I said to everybody that it is dangerous to centralize all global communication in the hand of a few silicon valley shops. At day 1. I never used that crap. Not FB, Twitter, Insta, WA, ... Was it just a lucky coincidence with my stupidity? I still cannot understand why virtually nobody else around me wanted to get it, ~15y ago. They actually kind of understood partially, deep inside, but they all managed to find excuses and trivialized it.

@dangillmor @Bam

@gimulnautti
... and with that mindset/attitude, the next disasters are guaranteed to happen!
@dangillmor @Bam
@pino @dangillmor @Bam Yes, we are in the midst of a ”global climate change of culture”, and it’s not upgrading our societies, it is downgrading them. Very fast.
@gimulnautti
But, well, yes, that's what I wanted to say: It's not Musk's fault. Completely not. Nobody was forced to go down the wrong road.
@dangillmor @Bam

@dangillmor As everyone here has already pointed out, yes, the _public_ square must be _public_. Nothing else will work long term. Twitter didn't even last one generation.

Some of us have been jumping up and down and pointing at this since the 1990s, when the government-funded internet was handed over wholesale to profit-seekers.

People everywhere still struggle to create wonder and fun in the ever-fewer loopholes left by those who try to turn everything into money.

@dangillmor
"when this is over"
-- It's not over for a long time yet. People will still be coming back to get their fix. Twitter will still keep sucking the air out of people who would be better off spending their energy elsewhere

@dangillmor But like our wider media crisis, we're not going to fix it because too few of us keep talking about these things. How do we make everyone else realize just how dangerous this situation is? What does it take? How do we make the point, and where do we make it so anyone sees it? I rarely say this, but I'm running out of ideas.

https://mastodon.social/@shoq/110248431020442334

@shoq @dangillmor I think this is part of a larger trend that has slowly ruined a lot of things. Profit over people. This has affected:
- wildlife
- native people
- land use / abuse
- city / road design
- food safety
- medical safety / cost
- and now journalism

The continued impunity of Facebook is a good example of how money can suppress any backlash over obviously dangerous/toxic propaganda.

@shoq @dangillmor Elon destroyed Twitter. Another one bites the dust.
@dangillmor he's only the latest (and perhaps most glaring) iteration in a series of people doing that in internet history