I upgraded my main laptop to #Fedora 38. One click in the Software Center, it downloaded everything in about 5 minutes, and the upgrade itself took around the same amount of time. Everything works after rebooting, except the Quick Settings Tweaker and Dark mode switcher extensions, which are not crucial, so I’d say it was pretty damn smooth! I’m always amazed at how simple our desktops have become these days…
Will upgrade the desktop today as well!
Also, this is why I can’t wait for deb, rpm, .run or .bin formats to die, at least for applications. If Resolve was a Flatpak, a Snap or an Appimage, it would have had no issues surviving the upgrade. It would have come with the versions it needs. It would install and run on any distro without additional packages to install manually.
App Developers: use these new formats, you’ll do yourself, and your users a favor.
@thelinuxEXP @joshix I think this is the modern way of doing things:
1. Steam also installs some libraries like Visual C++ Redist for each game even if you have it already. And the games just work because of that.
2. Coders always use virtual environments (venv) and you're basically having multiple copies of any given library but that will guarantee things will more or less work
This is the right way to do things. The only drawback is taking up more space but as if people are running out...
@thelinuxEXP
The one thing that I loathe is that you'll see many apps pulling in unmaintained dependencies.
Ancient library versions equals lots of possible vulnerabilities. As long as the sandboxing is secure, no problem, but we all know that all programs have bugs. So an exploit will happen at some point.
The only thing I use flatpak for is proprietary software.
Before people start pointing out that my normal installed libs also will have vulnerabilities: I know. But I trust the distro more to keep these up to date, than random people on the Internet.
@jan @thelinuxEXP The main problem is that no distro has the resources to maintain and QA every popular application. Nope, not even that one.
From my perspective as a software developer, the distro maintainers are the random people I don't trust. If someone isn't getting their hands dirty in a specific application on a regular basis, how can I trust them to maintain it correctly?
@jamesgecko
Differences of opinion and viewpoints ;)
@jamesgecko @jan Yep, that’s also my main concern. I’d much rather use the “right” version of an app, as the developer distributes and packages it themselves, than a third party package maintained by someone who potentially had no part in developing the app at all, and might not test it thoroughly, or only test things they are interested in.
I trust the original developer more than a distro maintainer, but that’s just my opinion.
@thelinuxEXP For me it's the reverse. The distro maintainer is more likely to have a way wider experience.
@jan @jamesgecko I’d argue that the developer, knowing and having developed the features and options, is much more likely to test every part of an app, and know how to package it correctly.
But again, that’s subjective.
“I can’t wait for deb, rpm, .run or .bin formats to die”
That's, like, your opinion, man... 
@thelinuxEXP
For now, maybe you could try a distrobox? Whenever I have an issue like that, that's my solution (assuming no flatpak).
That way, you don't have to wait for it to work in a specific distro. Of course that's just my solution, may or may not work for you.
@abstrm @that_leaflet @thelinuxEXP
Yeah I think you need to do a few things like have an nvidia flag to get it working, though I haven't had to do it myself.
As for toolbox, my personal preference is to just use a distrobox because of the export feature, so I haven't used toolbox.
Steam flatpak is currently broken as well I'm not sure why, but there is a thread on the forum with no resolution: https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/steam-flatpak-not-working-on-f38-beta/80727/8
Interesting, running Steam from Flathub works just fine for me on latest F38. I have a laptop with Intel gpu. I tested both Wayland and X11 GNOME sessions. $ flatpak info com.valvesoftware.Steam | grep -A4 Commit Commit: a4c6945dc1cb48472fae369277a4350c9592c5d26239243bd06afc183da3dd7c Parent: c67a900e23d514cb308148c24638cb7316a20643c32049b0a8e2818ed1d4f62c Subject: Update 2 modules (d044c440) Date: 2023-01-31 06:36:30 +0000 Terminal output: $ flatpak run com.valvesof...
You could move all glib2 libraries in /opt/resolve/libs to another folder, say /opt/resolve/libs/_disabled, for example, so that resolve picks system-provided glib2 and pango and starts working again.
Better than nothing, until a proper upgrade 😁
And in the meantime, you could maybe try building the flatpak yourself : https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-create-a-flatpak-package 🤔
@justinz Thanks!
Here is the error:
/opt/resolve/bin/resolve: symbol lookup error: /lib64/libpango-1.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_string_free_and_steal
Resolve uses their own glib2 related libs (libgio, libglib, libgobject, libgmodule) but they use the system’s libpango, which seems to lead to an incompatibility.
Moving resolve’s own libs out of their directory fixed the problem (but it might create other problems in the future, of course)
@thelinuxEXP Not used my laptop since 38 dropped, but not surprised it was a smooth experience.
Only installed Fedora on the laptop a few weeks ago but really impressed with how slick it feels. Like, borderline 'non-tech-savvy relatives' level of ease of use. And so polished and enjoyable to look at - which is a big plus for many people who are not tech hobbyists.
Really feels like a premium product, and kind of tempted to install it on my mother's laptop 😄
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