Hraban (fiëé visuëlle)
@Seltsam @jeff @unearth
Well, don’t praise us Germans too early. On one hand, Germany wouldn’t have started with re-education without the Allies forcing us. On the other, there were always loud voices to stop this, still are.
Fascism is raising world-wide. In Germany, it generally doesn’t look as ugly as in some other countries, but e.g. you don’t want to visit Saxony as a PoC and you don’t want to be an activist in Bavaria or Hesse.
Apr 1, 2023 at 7:43pmWeb
Show threadWOIDApr 1, 2023
@fiee @Seltsam @jeff @unearth And you sure as shit don't want to be a Jew in Germany today, either. The only thing the Übermensch have learned is to hide it better.
Show threadBruno BaketarićApr 3, 2023

@woid @fiee @[email protected] @jeff @unearth This may be a bit too harsh - at least I hope so. In my impression/experience, the vast majority neither sees themselves as Übermensch, nor has any problem with fellow human beings of the Jewish (or any other) faith.

I agree though, that a loud, aggressive minority is already a problem in some areas.

Show threadWOIDApr 3, 2023
@bbak @fiee @Seltsam @jeff @unearth
Person you should begin by asking yourself whether Jews (or any other "faith") have a problem with you?
Show threadBruno BaketarićApr 3, 2023

@woid @fiee @[email protected] @jeff @unearth I cannot change history. But I believe to think and behave in the intent of the UDHR.

If, given this, someone has a problem with my behaviour, I'm ready to listen and (maybe) change it. And that’s it.

Show threadWOIDApr 3, 2023
@bbak @fiee @Seltsam @jeff @unearth It's not my job to talk to you or listen to you--I'm not your fucking slave this time around. You think you don't have a problem? That's your problem right there.
Show threadBruno BaketarićApr 3, 2023
@woid @fiee @[email protected] @jeff @unearth You feel yourself to be in the position to tell me that I - as a human being - have a problem? And imply that I treat you as a slave, based on this dialogue? That's rather weird.
Show threadCourt Cantrell does not complyApr 1, 2023
@fiee @[email protected] @jeff @unearth I grew up in Hesse.and lived 6 years in Saxony. It really hurts the heart to know how the extreme right has taken such a solid foothold there. 😥
Show threadPatrick McLaughlinApr 2, 2023

@fiee

And yet — *no one else* has gotten that far.

No great imperial/former imperial power has dragged out and washed its dirty laundry in public of its own free will.

The US failed in the mid-late 1800s when we smothered Reconstruction (which was being successful!) in its cradle, and let the fascists role everything back.

So far, the sole success is Germany. Yes, it took the Allies *insisting* on it for 40 years — long enough for it to self-sustain.

Perfect? No.
Better. Absolutely.

Show threadHerr Irrtum! 🔊Apr 2, 2023
@fiee @Seltsam @jeff @unearth

Hraban, I don't see him praising us Germans and surely that was not his intend. In East Germany we were "forced" to visit i.e. Buchenwald (strong word - it was just part of the school education program). But anyway - this helped indeed to make us (well - at least me) understand what kind of absolutely fucked up psychologically mad systematic mass cruelty happened here. It helped to understand how easy people can be manipulated to be part of that kind of a system. Hopefully it helped in that way. This practice is NOT executed within Todays schools anymore - at least not in Berlin. Why, I don't know, I don't understand.
And to take up your point:
Yes, PoC or Trans PoC I have contact with are really in danger, live threatening danger, going to even not so small towns in Saxony or Hesse, or even in certain parts of Berlin. That makes me fucking angry. The only thing that helps here in my opinion is early education.
Show threadsirjofriApr 2, 2023
@fiee @Seltsam @jeff @unearth tbf, it sometimes felt like we were _only_ educated about that in history.
Show threadsirjofriApr 2, 2023
@fiee @Seltsam @jeff @unearth (well, not only holocaust, but nazi history in general)