Sure, TikTok is terrible in many ways. But the hypocrisy of its critics, especially members of Congress, is almost beyond belief.

The problem with TikTok is the same one we have with countless other Internet products: They are relentless violators of our privacy and security.

Fix that, and you've fixed TikTok.

Democrats are just as bad as Republicans on this. And so is Big Journalism, which mostly just amplifies the lies.

This is a moral panic with a mercantile edge.

A collection of organizations that actually care about your privacy and security has an open letter to Congress, entitled "Coalition Urges Congress to Halt Efforts on TikTok Ban, Pass Privacy Legislation" -- https://cdt.org/insights/coalition-urges-congress-to-halt-efforts-on-tiktok-ban-pass-privacy-legislation/

Needless to say, given the lawsmakers' towering hypocrisy, they're unlikely to deign to notice the common sense solution to a problem they helped create.

Some days it's hard to be optimistic...

Coalition Urges Congress to Halt Efforts on TikTok Ban, Pass Privacy Legislation

A Ban on TikTok Is Not the Answer The Center for Democracy & Technology (CDT) has joined several other free speech and privacy organizations in calling for Congress to refrain from banning TikTok and to instead enact comprehensive privacy legislation because it would address many of the concerns that have motivated some to propose banning […]

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@dangillmor and a whole bunch of xenophobia thrown in for good measure.

@dangillmor The problem with TikTok is that it's controlled by China.

As Jaron Lanier put it the other day: "I think TikTok is dangerous and should be banned … because it’s controlled by the Chinese, and should there be difficult circumstances there are lots of horrible tactical uses it could be put to. I don’t think it’s an acceptable risk."

@hughster @dangillmor sure, but I don't think other surveillance capitalism companies are any better. They'll also abuse your data for *anyone* who pays them. That includes foreign adversaries.

We need strong data protection laws against all of this stuff.

@jamesmarshall You do, but no privacy law is going to address the crucial problem with TikTok that it's controlled by China. They're not going to respect it.

@hughster @jamesmarshall This is true. We shouldn't pass China off as "just another face in the data collection crowd".

China attempts to gain control of other countries through the back door, buying up key economic nexus points in a country. It could be businesses, property or distribution and supply companies. For that they need intel and Social Media is a great way to get it.

I agree that data collection should be by choice. But China is a standalone because of its methods.

https://thehill.com/policy/international/china/587839-documents-show-chinese-government-collects-droves-of-data-from/

Documents show Chinese government collects droves of data from Western social media: report

China is using part of its internal internet surveillance network to mine data from Western social media and provide its government agents with information on foreign targets, The Washington Post reported on Friday. Reviewing hundreds of Chinese bidding documents, contracts and company filings, the Post reported that China’s public opinion analysis software — used to detect…

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@the_Effekt @jamesmarshall Very true. It's what makes this whole "so what if China theoretically can influence an app now used by half the US population and theoretically can access all its data at will, they said they don't and we can't prove it" attitude rather disturbing, given we know they lie about this stuff all the time.
@hughster @dangillmor hey, dig deep, you will find a different answer. TikTok is totally not controlled by Chinese government. Just like Telegram is not controlled by Russia.
@xyfly @dangillmor Telegram is not controlled by Russia, no. It's headquartered in Germany.
@hughster @dangillmor oh, really? Thanks for telling me.
@dangillmor Republicans are going after TikTok because they have more influence on Facebook and Instagram, which pushes fascist stuff on users. Terrible to see Democrats going along.

@dangillmor The privacy issue is the first big problem. In the US, California has made some headway other states could follow thereby pushing Congress toward unified action.

The second is still a problem even if TikTok is the best example: no US residents' data should be kept in servers overseas. The EU's GPDR tackles this, there's no good reason the US hasn't except for Big Tech's lobbying.

@dangillmor The problem with TikTok is that it's not controlled by the U.S. The U.S. is so obsessed with monitoring every communication in the world that it can't stand the idea of a platform it can't infiltrate.
@dangillmor I’d argue big journalism does a lot more than amplify the lies. They’re ad supported media businesses just like social media companies and sell ads based on what you read, which is probably way more important to government monitors in China and in the West than what people do on TikTok and Instagram.

@dangillmor @flargh I said this identical thing on the AppleInsider podcast and people said I was a Chinese sympathizer.

Critical thinking is dead, or dying at least.

@dangillmor They don't like TikTok. But they hate China more. Though TikTok is not a Chinese company. It's investors, employees, data keepers and actual managers are all Americans. It blocks Chinese from using it. Think why Microsoft and Apple can do business in China so successfully? Chinese people and government don't hate the Unites States like that.
@dangillmor its Reefer Madness all over again but the reefers have been replaced by soul destroying data harvesters.

@dangillmor yeah, yet another "base unit of propaganda isn't lies, it's emphasis" instantiation

plus who is a bigger threat, the biggest military of all time in the country you're likely sitting in (and with bases in nearly every other one), /or/ this one halfway across the world whose weapons won't even make it past taiwan even if they were fired in our direction

@dangillmor we are fixing that. You and me, right now, on an open-source, Federated platform that respects its users and their privacy.
@dangillmor
Saw this earlier and …
@Jimijamflimflam @dangillmor isn’t the US all about doing things bigger? You’d expect they’d have made GDPR2: Electric Boogaloo by now
Tell Congress: Stop the TikTok Ban

Congress is fast-tracking a bill that would effectively ban TikTok in the US, but do little for its alleged goal of protecting our private information and the collection of our data by foreign governments. Tell Congress: Instead of giving the President the power to ban entire social media platforms based on their country of origin, our representatives should focus on what matters—protecting our data no matter who is collecting it.

@dangillmor

What really gets to me is the sheer lack of consequences to the #scams and stupud #trends.

We have people telling kids to eat tidepods, dance ohtside their cars, and run into stores and licking ice cream. Or go and steal a specifica make and model of cars and destroying people's livelihood and nothing happens.

And now I need to feel bad for those "influencers" possibly losing their "income" because #Tiktok might be banned in the #US?

Yes, there are brilliant creators on Tiktok, but many of them are already big on other platforms such as #Youtube with the long-video content.

But these #Tiktok trash accounts with 1M followers can just disappear into irrelevance.

@dangillmor I keep hearing this rhetoric, that somehow TikTok is the same as Facebook in its harm to users. While that might be true in simply the privacies of the individuals that breeches, it’s not true about where that data goes and what is used for. The PRC has shown in Xinjiang, Tibet, HK and others that they will use the data collected to directly oppress minorities. We know the PRC can access TikTok’s data thanks to the 2017 national security bill. So fully contextualized, they differ.
@edfattell @dangillmor Facebook has been responsible for mass killings or out right genocide in Myanmar, India, Ethiopia and other countries. Here they have been linked to the January 6 insurrection and the list of horrendous things goes on and on.
@dangillmor @andy The simple argument here is that China bans American social media, so it’s fair to respond in kind.
@dangillmor Yeah, I don't know why it is so much better handing over all my data to the US government (through Google, Apple and Amazon).
@dangillmor your post has ignored the national security aspect of the discussion. Compare to banning Kaspersky or Huawei.

@dangillmor Apparently some lawmakers called the app "Tic Tac" in the hearing.

We have the dumbest government.

@dangillmor TikTok should be regulated, but so should all the American IT giants as well.
@dangillmor You gloss over the fact that it’s linked to the Chinese government. Which is the most important thing.
@dangillmor It’s almost the same as McCarthyism……