Chris TrottierNow you can create a Mastodon account within @ivory.
But unlike @mammoth, new users are given a choice of servers to join.
Here’s a screenshot of the Mastodon sign-up page inside the app.
Bart Decrem@bart Not to say your approach is “wrong”, just pointing out a difference.
@atomicpoet it's nicely done - native UI. btw we added Show All Followers/Following (big UI improvement) & addressed the 2 security issues you flagged in our 1.1 release late last week.
@atomicpoet @mammoth 🙏 we see a solid month's of work ahead to squash all of the things that are super bothering us, but hopefully folks see the pace at which we are moving forward!
Archit@bart @atomicpoet @mammoth Mammoth needs to come to Android, if y'all truly want to support the adoption, ivory already exists for exclusive apple experience, i hope mammoth takes a more open approach
@ArchitS @atomicpoet @mammoth we want to. But it’s an order of operations thing: get to know the space, proof of concept, some way to pay for things etc
@bart @atomicpoet @mammoth I understand man, it's good that y'all are more open to the idea, once iOS is out of the way, hope to see android version, after all a lot more people globally use Android way more than iOS.
Mike Fraser@bart @atomicpoet @ivory @mammoth @fediversenews Not sure how this is going to help with the problem of user concentration on the big instances.. Mastodon works better when we're spread out.
maegul@mike @bart @atomicpoet @ivory @mammoth @fediversenews yea, it comes up again and again for me …
I think it’d work well if there was a special instance or kind of instance just for newcomers so that you can feel out the space before you migrate to an instance you like.
Apart from network effects directing people to instances, I’m not sure choosing an instance as a newcomer makes sense.
@maegul @bart @atomicpoet @ivory @mammoth @fediversenews Agreed, an instance where you could make a temp account so you could instance shop. Then it would prompt you to choose an instance after 30 days, then your account goes read only after 45 days until you choose an Instance.
@mike @bart @atomicpoet @ivory @mammoth @fediversenews exactly.
For many in the big instances (incl myself), that’s effectively why they are there. Except laziness kicks in and people just stick around and bloat the big instances.
@maegul @bart @atomicpoet @ivory @mammoth @fediversenews Also migrating still isn't the easiest thing in the world. Once you end up somewhere you need a pretty compelling reason to leave. FYI our sign ups are open 😉 https://thecanadian.social
@mike @bart @atomicpoet @ivory @mammoth @fediversenews yea, if a newcomers instance were to happen, I think some effort would have to be into helping the migration process one they move on.
Kevin Davidson@mike @maegul @bart @atomicpoet @ivory @mammoth @fediversenews I suggested something like this a while ago. Something interactive, guided or mentored. Maybe something like a freshers fair with stalls for instances actively recruiting. But that seems like it could turn into scammers, pickpockets and cults lurking outside train stations to pick on easy marks.
Kevin Davidson (@[email protected])
@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] I can see a role for a crèche instance for those who are lost, aren’t trying to reconnect with with a pre-existing social group, weren’t sent an invite link by a friend. An instance that actively encourages new users to follow interesting accounts, interact with them and then push them out of the nest into the wider Fediverse once they have a better feel for it.
Vincent St. Pierre 🇨🇦@atomicpoet @ivory @mammoth @fediversenews I wonder if we’ll see a spectrum develop in terms of the alignment between an app and one or more instances. Mammoth is one to one. This is apparently unaligned. But you could imagine some scenarios where some feature or set of values or motives creates relationships between app developers and instances/platforms.
@maegul @atomicpoet @ivory @mammoth @fediversenews As long as you can easily migrate out with all your followers, that’s probably ok.
As soon as it turns into a lobster pot (tar pit? Hotel California?) then that’s a real problem.
@maegul @atomicpoet @ivory @mammoth @fediversenews Which, btw, is an issue I have with Wildebeest currently.
Sasha Fox@atomicpoet @ivory @mammoth @fediversenews That seems like a great improvement for bringing in new users.
Aral Balkan@atomicpoet @ivory @mammoth @fediversenews That’s because, unlike Mammoth, Ivory is not VC-funded. Tapbots just make a useful tool instead of trying to capture enough people on their own service so they can monetise them and carry out a successful exit (sell the company so their investors can turn a profit).
PS. The only time you can stop VC-funded startups is before they scale (grow) and obtain network effects. So the best time not to use Mammoth was yesterday. The second best time is today.
@atomicpoet Yes, Mozilla. The corporation funded by half a billion dollars from Google every year. The corporation whose CEO is paid several million dollars and whose head of public policy once asked me to go easy on them because “we’re just another Silicon Valley tech company, I don’t understand why you’re holding us to such a higher standard.”
VC is VC. It’s a very simple game and the rules don’t change. And Mozilla? Mozilla is Silicon Valley through and through.
@atomicpoet Firefox is not private by default, it is private by configuration. A very big difference. How big? It’s worth half a billion dollars a year to Google alone.
But yes, you’re right, Mozilla is the best you’re going to get under capitalism and Silicon Valley.
(And if we want better things, then we must think beyond that model and fund them from the common purse for the common good.)
@mammoth @mozilla @bart #vc #ventureCapital #mozilla #google #firefox #privacy #SiliconValley #funding
Connected Places@aral @atomicpoet @mammoth @mozilla @bart I'm more worried by the fact that the second investor is Salesforce's Marc Benioff, third is generic VC.
The real question to ask is why Mozilla wanted to be the lead investor, write blog posts that literally state they want the fediverse to "thrives on its own terms, independent of profit- and control-motivated tech firms.", only to then immediately partner up with exactly those firms.
https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/mozilla-launch-fediverse-instance-social-media-alternative/
@atomicpoet @aral @mammoth @mozilla this summarizes our current thinking: https://mammoth.writeas.com/our-business-model. We think we will be in market with a subscription offering in the first half of the year.
Irongeek@atomicpoet @fediversenews @mammoth @aral @ivory I’m not a fan of VC, but I can see a good argument for avoiding forcing people to make a choice of server at signup. Ivory makes in easier than joinmastodon.org - you have a small list and can easily just click the first one - but you’re still making the user make a choice which can be anxiety-producing at the start of the experience.
alex@atomicpoet @ivory @mammoth @fediversenews the lack of a comma after the “Well” is really getting to me
@atomicpoet @ivory @mammoth @fediversenews also i don’t think Of Course and Not Yet should be in Title Case
Hein Ragas@atomicpoet @ivory Do we know how this list is sourced? Seems like it is pulled from joinmastodon.org, or is there another list/process?
івась тарасик@atomicpoet oh, yeah, so who gets to control what's up on the list? eventually, pay-for-place model? ;-)
my dèjàvue is overwhelmingly strong :-/
Dr. Young-Leslie 🇨🇦
MiKlo:~/citizen4.eu$💙💛@HyL @atomicpoet @ivory @mammoth Something #commercial, #closedsource , for an OS in which the manufacturer (not you) decides what you're allowed and what you're not. You certainly don't need that :-)
@miklo @atomicpoet @ivory @mammoth seems to be IOS-focussed. I escaped that world. Never returning.
CautionWIP 🎃+🇨🇦+🏳️🌈= 
@atomicpoet @ivory @mammoth @fediversenews The “official” app has greatly improved their instance selection process for onboarding new users, allowing topic/keyword search and location based instances grabbed (I believe) from the “about” page, as well as defaulting to “open” servers at the top of the list, but including “approval needed” in the results. I haven’t actually logged out of Mona (which I am really loving btw) so I can’t say.