@danyork @pluralistic *sigh* And here I was lead to believe I am a paranoid fuck. I think Im more and more okay with driving my dumb vehicle (dumb in the sense that my car is so old it only has the most basic of computer. No fancy tools, gps, or the gadgets tech people love). Cami is just.... Cami the Toyota Camry Station Wagon.

((Yes, I recognize that California is gonna want her gone because she is an ICE vehicle))

@danyork @pluralistic Since there are few if any not doing it, a better thing might be a list of how each one is, and how to disable it.

But also, there are still manufacturers with options that don't have power locks and windows. It's probably unlikely these are doing data collection.

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The EU is looking at legislation, but no clear descisions yet. A lot of companies want access to car data.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/eu-car-data-tussle-insurers-others-brace-delays-disappointment-2023-02-16/

"Stellantis have their own big data plans. It expects to generate 20 billion euros ($21.4 billion) annually by 2030 from software products and subscription services."

Note: Stellantis own a number of car brands, including Alfa Romeo, Chrysler, Citroën, Dodge, Fiat, Jeep, Opel, Peugeot, Ram, and Vauxhall.

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In case anyone here owns a #Hyundai #Kona and wants to delete the cellular modem, here is the Step-by-step guide. Technical difficulty: Easy

https://techno-fandom.org/~hobbit/cars/ev/offnet.html

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Yes, here it is:

@danyork @pluralistic EU companies would be subject to the GDPR. Tracking data for your car is clearly 'personal data' under §4.1

They would need your permission for processing it (skipping the case of a collision, which would probably be covered by the eCall law, though), you could retract your permission, get it erased, and you would have the right to obtain access to the data (article 15)

Yet, Volkswagen is a German manufacturer...

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@danyork @pluralistic Unfortunately, this will become more and more common. Expect any car brand that isn't collecting data today to do so in the near future.

And even without an active connection, ECUs log a ton of offline data, that will be uploaded to the manufacturer's servers when your car goes to the workshop. Many major car manufacturers (Renault, Stellantis, Volkswagen, ...) are pushing towards mandatory use of their cloud-connected diagnostic tools even for the most basic repair tasks (E.g for an oil change).