Emeritus Prof Christopher MayMar 1, 2023

Q.: has anyone benefitted from #brexit?

Well it seems that #vegetable growers in #Morroco have gained new/expanded market(s) in the UK... with the country rapidly rising to be the third (by value) exporter of veg to the UK (after Spain & the Netherlands)..... I suppose its an ill wind that blows no good

Show threadFen CMar 1, 2023

@ChrisMayLA6

👆 Ans: Yes...the "U"K🇬🇧 #SmallerEnglishEmpire is securely on a path to dissolution, and we all benefit from that!

It's the one-and-only benefit from #Brexit (and was entirely unintended).

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Next-Up: We do something else unbelievably stupid that accidentally abolishes the #monarchy...🙂

Show threadmrjonnoMar 1, 2023
@fencoul @ChrisMayLA6
I really hope not. I understand the nationalism that serves to divide.
The very point of the EU to prevent war.
Not a popular concept with despots RW ideologues unfortunately.
Show threadFen CMar 1, 2023

@mrjonno @ChrisMayLA6

The "U"K🇬🇧 has to die - it wasn't ever democratically created.

All the bits can rejoin the #EU🇪🇺.

Sorted.

Show threadmrjonnoMar 1, 2023

@fencoul @ChrisMayLA6
That's a thought. Respectfully not one I would support where nationalism is the cause to join a union founded in spite of it.

The problem isn't flags - it's the cultures that were never democratic that fly them. That's a huge problem. I'm sure I'm going to get flogged for this.

My cultural heritage is mixed in my family to see in 3 generations in my life and further as partnered. Part Indian, part Welsh, part Cornish and part English to love a Brasileiro...
ct'd

Show threadFen C

@mrjonno @ChrisMayLA6

👆 Escaping de-facto colonialism (rule from Westminster🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿) is NOT "nationalism".

Mar 1, 2023 at 1:54pmWeb
Show threadmrjonnoMar 1, 2023

@fencoul @ChrisMayLA6
Hmm...
'de-facto colonialism' isn't quite the case though, is it?
This is my point re 'nationalism' and flags.
How far back do we go to be a true Scot - whatever that is as Celts, Picts etc and not get on with making our World work?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Union

I hate what the tories have turned the UK into. Just look at the issues with NI. How is an independent Scotland going to fair better.

Rid of the horrors in Westminster and bring people together instead of division?

Treaty of Union - Wikipedia

Show threadLassielmrMar 1, 2023
@mrjonno @fencoul @ChrisMayLA6 too late. I no longer have any emotional connection to the U.K. My country is Scotland and I only care about our residents and our future. Independence is normal and it is both lazy and misinformed to call it nationalism. British Nationalism is the cause of ills globally. Westminster is England centric & always will be. My days of defending or supporting anything British are long gone.
Show threadPurpleShonaSMar 1, 2023
@lassielmr I'm with you!
I only worry for my children and grandchildren still south of the border, but I still hope I can encourage them to move north.🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
Show threadDarryBMar 1, 2023
@lassielmr @mrjonno @fencoul @ChrisMayLA6 I personally think there should be a equal states type arrangement, where all parties of the UK are equal, and big decisions that effect all nations are voted on with each country entitled to a veto. Similar to the EU set up. I think we're stronger together. I completely understand why Scotland wants to be independent however. It's a natural reaction to what they have now and for the last few hundred years.
Show threadToni WidmoMar 2, 2023
@DarryB @lassielmr @mrjonno @fencoul @ChrisMayLA6 Why not go the whole hog then and just be independent countries in the EU? Why bother with a middle layer?
Show threadmrjonnoMar 2, 2023
@DarryB @lassielmr @fencoul @ChrisMayLA6
Hear, hear! I believe this is best served by #pr (proportioanal representation) The Labour Party canvassers I had recently agreed.
PR is about democray and debating issues rather than doing ideology and fat cat profit.
Hopefully augmented by #people and focus groups.
Show threadBettyMar 1, 2023
@lassielmr @mrjonno @fencoul @ChrisMayLA6 have Scottish neighbours here in Spain they feel more or less the same like u.for me nationalism is never good, we have experience in this
Show threadFen CMar 1, 2023

@BettyBoo @lassielmr @mrjonno @ChrisMayLA6

👆 Wanting to escape a de-facto colonial oppressor (🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿Westminster in this case) isn't "nationalism" as such. Next you'll be saying that the #BritishEmpire should never have "lost" its colonies to independence. It's no different.

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 does not 'own' 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿, 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 or N🇮🇪. If they want to leave "our precious union" (©TheresaMay) then they should.

Show threadBettyMar 1, 2023
@fencoul i was thinking about spanish case, 40 years of Vasc ETA terrorist and we had just inagurated democracy and it was done in an autonomy system like a federation, each community has it's laws, both official languages if it's the case, like mine, now Cataluña, sorry it's different for u, different sitiation didn't mean to offend
Show threadRaghnallDMar 1, 2023

@lassielmr @mrjonno @fencoul @ChrisMayLA6 me too.

#ScottishNotBritish

Show threadlp0 on fire Mar 1, 2023
England-centric? More like London-centric…
Show threadHelena RigbyMar 3, 2023
@lp0_on_fire definitely. I'm up north and WM doesn't have anything to do with or for us.
Show threadLassielmrMar 1, 2023
@fencoul @mrjonno @ChrisMayLA6 exactly
Show thread420Mar 1, 2023
@fencoul @mrjonno @ChrisMayLA6 free Scotland and give Northern Ireland back to Ireland.
Show threadBettyMar 1, 2023
@420 uuuu they better, they don't want to mess with the lemmings creatures, they look cute until they are not
Show thread420Mar 1, 2023
@BettyBoo 😂😂😂