roses are red
violets are blue
to exit vim
:wq

@ghorwood

I think that I shall never see
An end as cool as CTRL-X CTRL-C

@JorgeStolfi quality follow up!

@ghorwood

Just could not let Emacs be bested...

@JorgeStolfi they keep saying that mastodon is like the old days of usenet, so why shouldn't we start up the editor wars again?
@ghorwood @JorgeStolfi mastodon is Usenet inside out. Usenet was all about dealing with hours and days of latency so every node carried every message. Mastodon is on a net where latency is measured in milliseconds so it's all about only sending messages that someone on the destination seems to be interested in.

@resuna @ghorwood

But there are some important differences.

For one, on USENET messages had a Subject line. Users were presented with a menu of sender:subject, from which they could select the messages to read. In Mastodon the menu has the whole messages, which means most messages go unseen, not just unread.

#Mastodon #Usenet #UserInterface https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/22835

Replace Content Warning (CW) by short Summary, make it mandatory, show only Summaries on timeline · Issue #22835 · mastodon/mastodon

Proposal Related to #20117 and #20185 but more radical. Rename the CW field "Summary". Make that field mandatory on every toot. Limit its length to something small, like 140 characters. O...

GitHub

@resuna @ghorwood

Another big difference is that the Usenet was partitioned into a rather stable set of "bboards", each with curators who tried to weed out trash, spam, and out-of-topic content. Mastodon uses hashtags instead, but users can invent these freely, and no one is curating their "content".

@JorgeStolfi @ghorwood Actually newsgroups were mostly not moderated and the names were basically tags and were completely uncontrolled out of the big seven.

Source: I used to be one of those guys in news.groups who ran votes and stuff.

@resuna @ghorwood

Sorry, now I rememebered: my experience with USENET was from mid 1980s to 1992 or so, when the whole internet was "moderated" -- meaning that it was closed to universities and tech companies, and anyone who misbehaved was reported to their institution and taken care of.

@JorgeStolfi @resuna well, there certainly a lot of unmoderated usenet subs in the day. but, even then, the level of behaviour was definitely higher than on some other social media networks today!

@ghorwood @JorgeStolfi Not as high as you may think. There were meowers and other kinds of spoilers, one group kept posting roadkill recipes between rec.food and alt.pets groups. Even big names engaged in newsgroup raids, like Rob Pike's attack on net.suicide under the guise of Elizabeth Bimmler. I watched one guy 'splaining C to Dennis Ritchie on comp.lang.c.

Then we got September 1983.

@resuna @ghorwood

You mean September 1993?

@JorgeStolfi @resuna i believe that september is still going on.
@JorgeStolfi @ghorwood The net.suicide raids were in 1984 or 1985. Nobody even tried to stop it.

@resuna @ghorwood

Thus usenet was more like Reddit in this respect. Also, in my recollection Usenet had somewhat better thread-reading facilities than Mastodon currently has. (But Reddit's are miles ahead.)

@JorgeStolfi @ghorwood Usenet threading was in the client, and good clients did far better threading than reddit.