Earlier I posted about how Twitter now puts an Elon Musk tweet at the top of everyone's feed, even if they don't follow him.

That was one thing when it was just Space X stuff or some silly boast. But his latest post—vile, misogynistic, and violent—is a totally different matter.

Twitter users are forced to see this content. I can't understand how any reputable brand or serious professional could remain on the platform at this point.

Heavily redacted screenshot below.

@ct_bergstrom the social inertia is really something to behold. That said, and to mix metaphors eventually it’s going to be like a rubber band and snap and people will head for the doors en-masse.

@chris @ct_bergstrom

I think there's a bunch of things going on.

I'm not inundated with Musk tweets in my newsfeed. I don't know if this is a mobile app vs desktop difference or a "for you" vs "following" difference.

But communities that formed on twitter aren't magically reforming elsewhere. People are all moving to different alternatives and losing their connections. AND losing their voice and advocacy.

Government and media haven't moved either.
Emergency alerts etc

@alisonborealis reactive over proactive is a learned behaviour

@canadianglen
I think groups like media and government are either waiting for critical mass on a replacement OR they aren't paying attention, they're just hitting the "post" button.

Communities are harder. Maybe you can get organized and all move together. But people are more than one thing and many are struggling to find something that embraces all of them.
Plus, many people just don't have the bandwidth/desire to start again.

@canadianglen

In some ways, I think we're seeing the digital version of people who are/can evacuate before a disaster packing up and leaving while others remain either intentionally or because they have no means of getting out.

This does and doesn't apply to government and media. I imagine it takes a lot of consideration to shut down a public service (which is what many government accounts are).

@alisonborealis media orgs and gov'ts have different metrics compared to individuals. the biggest issue, imo, is a double edged sword. birdsite is the "big tent" but with no bouncers. the fediverse is many tents with hard limits. but every one of those tents *is* accessible from yours, it just takes user effort

@canadianglen
It takes more user effort than some people are willing or able to make.

And when we're talking about minority voices, they're counting on effort by other users, too. Which, yes, was part of how people reached others on twitter. But the diffuse nature of Mastodon and walled gardens of other sites makes it much harder to achieve maximum broadcast.

@alisonborealis @canadianglen

Mastodon needs to allow government run instances to be immune to being blocked wholesale. IMO that one change would go a long way in making Mastodon a potentially attractive alternative.

@BobC7000 @alisonborealis @canadianglen That’s technically not possible without making Mastodonn closed source and even then the existing forks, like the one mstdn.ca uses are still out there. I’d add I wouldn’t want to be on an instance that was forced to federate with questionable or outright dictatorial governments.

@Chigaze @alisonborealis @canadianglen

I was afraid that might be the case technically.

As for your desire to block governments, we have the need for things like the United Nations for a reason.

Countries like NK of course block all outside influence, but facilitating a blockfest between nations is downright dangerous and governments will not accept that. That will rule out Mastodon as an option

@BobC7000 @alisonborealis @canadianglen I'm not suggesting a blockfest between nations but that instances in the #Fediverse get to decide themselves who they interact with. The idea of forcing everyone in to see posts from certain entities is fundamentally at odds with it's very nature. If someone wants to set up a completely non-political instance that should be possible or if I want to host one for just me and a few others I shouldn't be forced to federate with any instance I don't want to. 1/
@BobC7000 @alisonborealis @canadianglen And I'm using #Fediverse rather than #Mastodon because Mastodon is just one platform instances can choose to use. There is no real central control here and that's the point. If a government wants to set up an instance they're free to and other instances can choose whether or not they want to interact with those. Honestly, though, I think government instances used to provide information (programs, etc) would be widely federated. 2/2

@Chigaze @alisonborealis @canadianglen

I give up trying to explain to you why facilitating nation to nation blocks with the click of setting is a terrible idea.

Never mind

@BobC7000 @alisonborealis @canadianglen The discussion wasn’t about nation to nation blocks, it’s about whether #Mastodon instances can freely choose who they federate with. Nations firewalling themselves is a different discussion and not particular #Mastodon or the #Fediverse.

@Chigaze @alisonborealis @canadianglen

I started a new vein in this thread about what will make mastodon attractive to governments and ultimately as a complete replacement for twitter.

If mastodon can not or will not make special public-interest considerations, the above transition will never happen.

https://mastodon.social/@BobC7000/109862137240038037

@BobC7000 @Chigaze @alisonborealis fair enough but is there any reciprocation from state-run instances? I could see state-run instances blocking collective instances far before the other way around

@canadianglen @Chigaze @alisonborealis

.... also shutting themselves off from global influence.

Regimes attempting to shut out the world from their own populous happens now, but that's one way. They still show up at the U.N. and engage with the world. Barring a specific breakdowns in diplomacy, dialogue continues.

@BobC7000 @alisonborealis @canadianglen This is where we differ. The #Fediverse nor #Mastodon are not, should not, nor should ever try to be what Twitter was. Their strength is that they allow the creation of many interacting communities rather than being a centrally controlled corproate monolith. Personally I don't feel any particular lack here with the abscense of official government accounts, for me they never added much to Twitter.
@BobC7000 @alisonborealis @canadianglen There is also no singular entity "Mastodon". There is a company, Mastodon gGmbH, who maintain the open source software called Mastodon but they can no more control the content of the communities than the Apache Software Foundation can control the content of the websites that use the Apache web server.

@Chigaze @alisonborealis @canadianglen

Yes and then the standard correction about using the term mastodon or fediverse.

Mastodon has an evangelism about itself. It's irritates many people who visit here

@BobC7000 @Chigaze @canadianglen

Hello!
Standard practice in conversations is generally to stop replying-all when people are no longer engaging in the conversation.
Please stop including me. I can look up your thread if I am desperate to know your emotions about social media.

@alisonborealis @Chigaze @canadianglen

Again the mastodon culture landing at my feet like law book.

This literally never happens anywhere else. On twitter we #mute #conversations instead of requiring people to intuit who doesn't want notifications.

Mastodon is a public square not a church. This intense evangelism rubs people the wrong way. Read a lot of sentiments like that

In the end mastodon will be whatever the new waves make it. No stopping that but you can certainly drive people away

@chris @ct_bergstrom

Twitter is a unique social medium.

No other has given people the same ability to reach the masses, their elected representatives and media all at the same time. No matter how marginalized they are.

Communities are rebuilding on Mastodon and elsewhere. But they're far more siloed and isolated. Easier to ignore (intentionally or not) and they don't have the same reach.

Why leave twitter if nothing gives you advocacy, crowdfunding, etc the way you want?

@alisonborealis @ct_bergstrom Because there is nothing preventing Mastodon/Fediverse from being the same and much better than Twitter. Twitter only got to that status gradually. It’s a chicken and egg problem to be sure, but there is nothing preventing Twitter from being supplanted and exceeded by Mastodon, especially the way Elon is running it right now. Without easy access to the API, a big source of content and reach for Twitter users is going to go away.
@alisonborealis @ct_bergstrom it’s a big if, but if, a few major government organizations and news sources start to produce their content on Mastodon, then you’ll start to see people move over because they won’t lose the connection. One major thing that needs to happen is social media tools currently in use by Social Media Managers need to be updated to support Mastodon.
@ct_bergstrom it's an old meme, usually used to show someone is being force-fed something. So he's proudly admitting it in an edgelord way. Once again it's all about seeking validation from people who grew up on 4Chan. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/forced-to-drink-milk
Forced to Drink Milk | Know Your Meme

Forced to Drink Milk is an object-labeling image macro series using a photograph of a young woman holding an opened bottle of milk up to a kneeling woman's

Know Your Meme
@Loukas Oh I didn't for a moment expect that he had the creativity of whatever 12-year-old came up with that.
How the alt-right uses milk to promote white supremacy

From #SoyBoy to #MilkTwitter, there’s a sinister side to milk.

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@fifilamoura @Loukas @ct_bergstrom seems very relevant. Im boosting that one.
@fifilamoura @Loukas @ct_bergstrom Thanks for pointing that out. I am running the "Likers Blocker" Chrome Extension on that Tweet as we speak.
@fifilamoura @ct_bergstrom yes good point, the milk adds another layer of toxicity.

@fifilamoura @Loukas @ct_bergstrom It’s both: a nod to misogyny and white supremacy. Possible bonus points due to the porn reference.

Sigh.

@fifilamoura @Loukas @ct_bergstrom FTR, the “soy milk raises estrogen and lowers testosterone” story has been fully debunked about a million times. Interesting that it was always rooted in a racist, sexist, dangerous storyline. Another reason I’m proud to not drink cow milk.
@Loukas @ct_bergstrom musk is a pathetic narcissist—sad 😖
@ct_bergstrom I noticed the same. I blocked him immediately. But this is just crazy - the narcissism!
@lakens
@ct_bergstrom
just after he took over the company, many people who had previously blocked him spontaneously unblocked him. the tools within a medium have no meaning against someone who owns the medium, unfortunately.
@ct_bergstrom
not seen in our feed yet. parallel bubble, apparently
@ct_bergstrom Oddly enough that's the name of my new scent. But really? Really??? This is new levels of insanity.

@ct_bergstrom

April 5th 2009.

Elon was always a misogynist. Listen to women sooner.

@ct_bergstrom

Some of her other quotes that let me know and know much sooner than other liberals who weren’t paying attention.

@ct_bergstrom That MANPADS option looks better by the day.

@ct_bergstrom

I haven’t seen any of his tweets put in my feed, although I know one New Zealander who has seen this.

If anything I have the opposite problem: Twitter not notifying some replies to my tweets, and not showing all tweets of those I follow in 'Following'.

@ct_bergstrom Weird. I unfollowed everyone except the R user group I help run and my "for you" tab is just tweets and reteews from that account. It seems the recommendation algorithm is broken for my account..?
@eliocamp @ct_bergstrom I didn’t see this particularly nasty meme on my feed (I looked for it after you seeing your redacted version here), but I have been seeing more Elon content recently …actually, come to think of it I muted Elmo a few days ago
@ct_bergstrom that isn’t the case for me. Of course, I’ve had Musk blocked for years. It may be that new blocks don’t work.
@ct_bergstrom Wow, I opened Twitter (for the first time in a while) and sure enough one of his tweets was at the top of my timeline.
@ct_bergstrom That is seriously disturbing. I miss what Twitter used to be, but left about two months ago in disgust.
@ct_bergstrom Another reason I'm glad I blocked him months ago.