“As public opinion continues to shift against Elon Musk, we need to think twice about … what goals we’re actually achieving by launching tens of thousands of additional satellites into orbit.”

In a new piece for TIME, I outline the problems with Starlink and question whether the tradeoffs are too high for what it really delivers.

https://time.com/6250118/elon-musk-should-not-be-in-charge-of-the-night-sky/

#tech #space #elonmusk #starlink

Elon Musk Should Not Be In Charge of the Night Sky

One of Elon Musk's companies, Starlink, is putting thousands of satellites in space and changing our relationship to the sky

Time
@parismarx you left out the funny part where you have to accept the sovereignty of Mars in the Starlink terms of service. That's astrocolonialism if anything is.

@audunmb @parismarx

Holy shit.

The Starlink terms of service do in fact mention Mars in section 12 ("Governing Law").

https://www.starlink.com/legal/documents/DOC-1020-91087-64

Starlink

High-speed internet. Available almost anywhere on Earth.

Starlink
@johnlogic I'm all for sending Musk to Mars right now.
@wesdym me too, as long as Musk's trip to Mars is one-way...
@johnlogic @wesdym I wish he would go. And he can take all his weird worshippers with him.
@richservo The thing is, he just might. In one of his more inane and asinine remarks a few years ago, he said he was going to land humans on Mars by NEXT YEAR (2024). That was obviously ludicrous at the time, but few people called him on it, and he's never disavowed it. We could in fact do that right now -- and could have then -- if you accept that they'll all die. He seems like the kind of person who might convince himself to lead a bunch of worshippers to their deaths.

@wesdym @richservo

If Jim Jones could gain enough political power to install San Francisco mayor George Moscone and convince more than 900 people to move to the South American nation of Guyana, where they either took their own lives or were killed, then I suppose another charismatic sociopath could do something similar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown

Jonestown - Wikipedia

@johnlogic I think the suspicions about Moscone are likely over-stated (All the evidence available is unsubstantiated claims by Temple members and Moscone's contender), but there are plenty of example of cults that resulted in many deaths, and it wouldn't surprise me if Musk ended up on that list eventually.

Much depends on definition, but I would include the many people who would probably be alive right now if they weren't foolish enough to listen to Trump.

@wesdym

A text search for Moscone in the linked source--an archived archived transcript of a PBS documentary--made for an interesting quick read.

https://web.archive.org/web/20090314080911/http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/jonestown/filmmore/pt.html

Moscone was before my time. But his killer, Dan White, also made a martyr of Harvey Milk, gave us "the Twinkie defense", and propelled Feinstein's political career. That was 9 days after Jonestown.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_White

@wesdym many thanks for your connection 😍☮️
@parismarx I’m so glad you wrote this bc coincidentally I was just thinking today about the problem of too many satellites, problems for scientists, space junk and light pollution. A while ago there was a great thread about the latter here which I wish I could find to link too.
@parismarx
Honestly, i hate looking up at the night sky, especially when camping in a remote wilderness, and seeing musk's space junk floating by. Hope someone knocks em out of the sky.
@Coho They will eventually just fall on their own, as all stuff we put up there does. But it can take awhile. At their usual altitude, about ten years.
@wesdym
Im impatient, and want them gone now!
@Coho I've heard of a hypothetical method that involves lasers. (Somehow, that causes them to fall, if you put enough energy into them. I admit I don't know how.)
@parismarx you mean like the inability of authoritarian regimes to keep information from their populations that trade off
@parismarx grow up Paris , Starlink has the potential to keep dictators in check and that is a gamble worth taking
Russia is nearly isolated online. What does that mean for the internet’s future?

Concerns about the emergence of a “splinternet,” or a balkanization of the web, have been gaining momentum. The war in Ukraine threatens to make them a reality.

NBC News
@mcvresearch @parismarx That is a hyperbolic and myopic approach to the issue. We can come up with other solutions to the problem you describe without causing new ones that are far more significant than you are giving them credit.
@skip_rynearson @parismarx no actually we can’t , you either have big antennas in geosync orbit or arrays in LEO it’s a matter of physics
@mcvresearch @parismarx “It’s a matter of physics.” That sure sounds like many scientists who came before you who denied possibilities. I’m not a trained and educated scientist; however, observation of the incredible things scientists have accomplished has guaranteed that I can’t be someone who prematurely denies human imagination. Moreover, I’m not saying that a possible solution need necessarily exclude the use of satellites. I’m saying that we shouldn’t explore that possibility without due consideration of other problems we would be creating, and we absolutely should not be yielding the territory of satellites as a solution to Elon Musk. StarLink is bad per se, in implementation, in implication, in impact– social, economic, ecological and legal.
Minister: Ukraine to receive over 10,000 Starlink systems in coming months

In the coming months, Ukraine will receive more than 10,000 Starlink satellite internet systems from Elon Musk’s Space Exploration Technologies Corporation (SpaceX) to help counter the consequences of the Russian attacks on the energy infrastructure that cause power outages across

The Kyiv Independent
@mcvresearch @parismarx You’re beginning to strike me as someone who believed the invasion of Iraq was justified.
@parismarx I’ve been saying this a while. Why are we allowing Lex Luther to have a satellite network??? Seems pretty dumb.

@parismarx I can see some argument for a modest satellite internet constellation, much like there was a case for $5 per minute Iridium.

The problem is that Starlink is a comical oversolution to the fact we have no coherent and national broadband strategy, so it's easier to launch hundreds of rockets into space than to cut through the red tape of old duddies who object to their tulips being dug up to run fibre, and local telco/cablecos who want to ration out the future one drop at a time.

@parismarx I wouldn't leave Musk in charge of a hole in the ground. He might mistake it for his own ass.
@parismarx Seize it and give it to the workers
@parismarx we got to remember he didn't want Twitter. He got stuck with it. He's a good guy. He will come through
@parismarx I don't think he should be exchanged of anything
@parismarx why is public opinion part if the conversation. We should let him do irresponsible bullshit as long as we think he is funny?