James Flanagan
JoelleIf I have to prove I'm not a computer by identifying traffic lights and busses, perhaps we're not quite ready for self-driving cars.
StroomAfwaarts 🌱@joelle we're training the car software obviously
Sweeten the streets@StroomAfwaarts @joelle has it been actually proven that the computers can be trained?
Tai Viinikka@sweetenthestreets @StroomAfwaarts @joelle The computers can be trained to drive cars. Yet questions remain: Can they be trained to drive cars better than a drunk person? Can they be trained to drive cars better than the average driver? Can they be trained to drive cars better than 99% of drivers? Can they be trained to know when they are no long safe to drive and should pull over? I'd love to hear the opinions of people who do real-world AI.
Can they be trained to either protect the driver or, say, pedestrians in case of imminent collision?
Are they being fed fed trolley problems?
@StroomAfwaarts @sweetenthestreets @joelle @StroomAfwaarts I'm actually not convinced that trolley problems are relevant. No car driver has done any pre-thinking about these issues. They don't usually happen. In the typical case, a car driver sees a problem they don't want to hit/worsen and hits the brakes or evades into a nearby lane without checking. It sucks but that's emergencies for you.
THIS ACCOUNT HAS MOVED@joelle you are helping build training sets
PB Livin'@noplasticshower @joelle everybody's cynical about the self-driving cars, but originally captcha was text, and that's part of why you can pull text from images, and how we've been able to digitize so many old books and newspapers.
Personally I think it's brilliant and we do all end up benefitting from it, regardless of the greedy capitalists ;)
Fern@joelle “check all the squares with a small child in them”
2xfo
Alex@joelle
Holy crap! I never thought of that, but you're exactly right!
Holy crap! I never thought of that, but you're exactly right!
Stephen Hoffman@joelle @hacks4pancakes Met one of those that required (mis)identifying pickup truck campers as buses.
Kaity A@joelle we're definitely not ready for self driving cars.
Although my car and I regularly play this game where it tries to kill me, and I try to stop it before it succeeds.
Sometimes if I am a few milliseconds late intervening, it'll beep loudly at me informing me that it's disengaging so that it can't be blamed for my murder.
Fun times... Ahh Tesla car. I almost wish I could keep you, but you were created by a monster.
Although my car and I regularly play this game where it tries to kill me, and I try to stop it before it succeeds.
Sometimes if I am a few milliseconds late intervening, it'll beep loudly at me informing me that it's disengaging so that it can't be blamed for my murder.
Fun times... Ahh Tesla car. I almost wish I could keep you, but you were created by a monster.
@supakaity @joelle Wow, it seems you would be safer not playing the "try to kill me" game and just driving the car. I find my old electric Hyundai does a good job of going where it is pointed and stopping only if told to. Or if I really am about to drive right into a stopped car, wall, etc.
@supakaity @joelle
I rented a model Y recently and now I think Tesla cars are not safe to drive. I would never let it drive me, but I also feel like they are not designed to be operated by a human in general.
I hope you find a car you like. There are a lot more options recently
I rented a model Y recently and now I think Tesla cars are not safe to drive. I would never let it drive me, but I also feel like they are not designed to be operated by a human in general.
I hope you find a car you like. There are a lot more options recently
microtherion@supakaity @joelle sounds like the kind of car Inspector Clouseau would enjoy driving.
Mariusz
yottalogical
Majic
Michael Evans/Mihangel Ifans@joelle
The tragic irony of humans having to convince machines that we’re not machines 🙄
The tragic irony of humans having to convince machines that we’re not machines 🙄
adb@joelle I feel guilty when I'm slow responding to a captcha, figuring my answers are being relayed to vehicles approaching those intersections.
Karen E. Lund 💙💛@joelle I actually giggled at this.
So it's not just me? I wondered if my role in a local "anti-car" organization, which I mentioned on Twitter often, was the reason I saw so many traffic lights and crosswalks.
I can stop being paranoid about this now and go be paranoid about something else.
Jennifer Morency 
@Karen5Lund @joelle Due to shoulder trouble I'm physically unable to solve lengthy sets of CAPTCHAs, so I use this on all browsers: https://github.com/dessant/buster (a bot to prove I'm not a bot)
corOllule@joelle
Or that it is self-driving cars that are not ready.
Or that it is self-driving cars that are not ready.
Alun Jones@joelle "Is this a pedestrian? Please answer really promptly."
nivek1385@joelle from what I've witnessed, I think computers are better at that than humans.
Mike (no not that one)@joelle The dirty secret in all of that is picking the pictures is training the AI for the cars.
Ferdi Groenewald 
@joelle yup, when we do this we are actually doing labour for Google for free.
We're training their AI.
We're training their AI.
Randy Noseworthy 😼 
bmaz@joelle And, frankly, I have a hard time getting the captchas right usually. So, yeah. We have a lot of Ways testing in the greater Phoenix area, and they scare the hell out of me.
HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴
Walter K. Lew@joelle Proving that I'm not a robot by training to become one. I think that's now one of the fundamental dimensions of existence. So glad a book, painting, string quartet etc. never asks me such things--leaves the Q of how much of a machine I've become up to my own much more interesting, unconnected self-reflective "devices."
Brett Glass - WY7BG@joelle If I fail a CAPTCHA, I'm probably crashing a "self-driving" Tesla.
Ray Kiddy
Colley Cibber
Peter Smerdon@joelle You have to complete the task quickly. Somewhere there's a self-driving car waiting for the answer.
sabik
Lizard@joelle The Autobots have SO many traffic violations!
Penny ✌🏽👊🏼💪🏾
Humble Fan of Atty. Woono (honk) offense but I'm too old to trust "someone" I don't trust convince me that his car is safe in self-drive mode. carry on
Kris Hardy@joelle I hope they never solve it. I'm not looking forward to the "identify the CSAM" day.
Romolo S.@joelle this is to help self-driving cara by checking the AI training model, but instead of hiring people they force everyone to do it for free.
JBVPoet@joelle good point
William Robison@joelle very good point.
The fact that so many people struggle with identifying traffic lights and busses might mean we are not really for cars at all.
Kathryn@joelle Absolutely! Well said.
elle mundy@joelle secretly this is how self driving cars work. quick, click it before they run a red!!!
😀🚲@joelle it's sad though, how so many licensed drivers would fail a "do you have the right of way in this scenario?" test. Maybe one day the car will require drivers to pass such a challenge if they want to be in control.
Ben Ramsey@joelle We’re training the models with every CAPTCHA we complete.
sigi714
Dieu
moved to => @@joelle maybe that's how self driving cars identify those?
Laura Kwak
noodlejetski 
@joelle for all your captcha solving needs https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/buster-captcha-solver/
Dr Claude Diderich
Jack@joelle I had to identify cabs today. I'm not sure how long the car had to wait.
JoleenDietz@joelle so true, and hilarious!