A sweeping national gun reform bill should be considered the compromise position, to be pursued if gun defenders become interested in compromise. Until then, the goal should be a total national ban of the manufacture and sale of all firearms and ammunition.

Since gun defenders are currently not interested in compromise at all, no compromise should be sought. Gun defenders should be told, should they ever want to compromise, the offer is a sweeping national gun reform bill. We'll compromise.

@JuliusGoat I asked this last night… how would you enforce a national gun reform bill?

@Danetteb2

I wouldn't. I don't enforce any laws that I'm aware of.

@JuliusGoat @Danetteb2

I must have missed it--USA?

I completely agree in a no compromise position. It seems those on the gun control side too often feel 'something is better than nothing'. We're living in the compromised reality--it is a $hitshow.

@JuliusGoat I mean that might be a good strategy if we had any leverage whatsoever. But manufacturers know that even if by some miracle such a law could get passed, SCOTUS is right there to bail them out.

@BadExampleMan

It's a good strategy to pursue the ends you want without any compromise that doesn't further those ends. That's how you get leverage.

It's how gun defenders got their leverage. It's how they got the policies they want, and the Supreme Court they needed.

We should do likewise.

@JuliusGoat @BadExampleMan

It does appear like, we are neck deep in a Holy War. The "crusaders" will never compromise unless there is no other alternative.

Will a 'both sides no compromise' lead to much more strife and suffering--sadly, undoubtedly, yes.

It does seem unlikely continuing with a course of action that has proven to fail, will provide more positive results, over any time frame...

@JuliusGoat forced-pregnancy movement has relentlessly pushed hundreds of different tactics and strategies at every level for decades. Push out requirements for liability insurance in cities, counties, states, federal, facilitate lawsuits against gun owners, let the insurance companies trim the market down. Free market!
@JuliusGoat The most effective path right now would be to repeal those provisions of the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (a/k/a the Child Safety Lock Act of 2005) that exempt gun manufacturers from liability in how their products are used. If they could be held liable, they'd change their tune or go bust. That industry-specific carveout has no basis whatsoever in the Constitution, and of all gun reform policies that one focus would be easiest to sell to the public. The failure of the Dems to focus on that is mystifying and (imo) straight-up malfeasance.

@tb
Ted's take is exactly where gun reform needs to head.

It would be impossible to create policy that would ban the manufacture and sale of guns and ammo.

But to put the onus on gun manufacturers on how their products are used would create a "self deportation" from the marketplace so to say.

Also, for those who 3D print or otherwise manufacture their own firearms... heavily taxed ammo and the material to create ammo.

That's how to go about curbing this insanity.
@JuliusGoat

@aBirdieOnaWire
Sure, I think that's a great step along the way, and much more likely to achieve if we aim even higher than that, toward a total ban on the manufacture and sale.

Which would force us to confront many obstacles along the way that also need to be addressed, like the Supreme Court and militarized police, and wealth disparity and racial injustice.

But I would absolutely support that policy as a strategic step along the path.

@JuliusGoat let’s ignore the “well-regulated militia” restriction - as the pretend literalist SCOTUS reactionary majority does, and observe: the 2nd amendment talks about guns, but is mum on ammo. There are options.

@JuliusGoat This would be a good idea nothing in the second amendment states that manufacturers are protected. Make it illegal to make guns or import them into the United States.

This is what no compromise would look like.

Your not stopping the sales, nor distribution, just the manufacturing of new guns.

Also make no bullets.