GreenvahnJan 18, 2023
Chris Trottier

Another stupid hot take about the Fediverse. This time courtesy of Megan McArdle from the Washington Post.

Apparently, Mastodon is doomed because it solves problems most users don't care about.

Just like Linux is a failure—because only hobbyists and IT professionals use it.

Except—unknown to Megan—Linux is a huge success which runs on everything (including your router).

Also Megan seems unaware that the *actual* problem with social media really is centralization.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/01/17/twitter-mastodon-replacement-social-media/

Twitter might be replaced, but not by Mastodon or other imitators

Twitter's successor will probably be something not much like Twitter at all.

The Washington Post
Jan 18, 2023 at 5:36amWeb
Show threadChris TrottierJan 18, 2023

I'm so tired of these journalist hot takes about the Fediverse.

Elon Musk has declared war on journalists, banned them outright—including journalists from the Washington Post.

So what do these bottom feeders do?

Suck on the teat of Twitter all the more while bad-mouthing an actual solution that can save their dying industry.

Show threadChris TrottierJan 18, 2023

What gets me is that the Washington Post made big hoopla about starting their own instance.

And a few weeks after the media's narrative changes, they publish a big article about why Mastodon sucks.

As I've already demonstrated today, that narrative isn't even based on facts—it's pure fiction created by the Guardian to justify staying on Big Social.

Show threadChris TrottierJan 18, 2023

This is why no one should trust the Press to educate the masses about the Fediverse.

They will not give a fair assessment.

Instead, they will look at it as conflicting with their interests—and will spin up a narrative that coincides with their interests.

They don't want the Fediverse to succeed because it's not run by corporate interests.

And that's the subtext in Megan McArdle's article.

Show threadChris TrottierJan 18, 2023

The Press could easily re-claim the social distribution of their content by simply spinning up their own instances.

And if they were just *slightly* more ambitious, they would build their own social media software that integrates ActivityPub—customized for the needs of journalists.

Instead, they piss away their future by doubling down on Big Social.

Show threadChris TrottierJan 18, 2023

What really gets me about the Press is that they've spilled so much ink about the evil tech industry building dystopian social media tech.

And the moment that a bunch of hackers build something that disturbs this dystopia, what do they do?

They double down on the dystopian social media tech.

Show threadKevix (he/him) :debian:Jan 18, 2023
@atomicpoet
I'm guessing they can't embrace anything anti-capitalist?
Show threadAndiJan 18, 2023
@atomicpoet what Apartheid Clyde said about the rat app applies to most of the press equally as well:
Show threadAndiJan 18, 2023
@atomicpoet 2023 is already so not Muskrat’s year: https://www.cnn.com/videos/business/2023/01/17/tesla-full-self-driving-tunnel-pileup-contd-gr-orig.cnn
Show threadPaul JacobsonJan 18, 2023
@atomicpoet There is definitely a missed opportunity here for them.
Show threadJudeNungaJan 18, 2023

@atomicpoet
Corporate media is dying, slowly but surely.

It comes down to a simple point many of them just don't understand. The vast bulk of people don't need them, we don't need their opinions, we don't need to know their "takes" on anything. We don't need to know the ins and outs of every celebrity/politician/greedite in the world.

I haven't bought a newspaper, online or other, in decades. I don't watch commercial TV, and now I don't have any other social media but the Fediverse.

I'm as informed as I ever was about what is actually happening day to day in the world, and I'm a whole lot better informed about everything the corporate media ignores. I'm also a lot less stressed.

Show threadJMJan 18, 2023
@JudeNunga @atomicpoet The problem is not newspapers themselves. It is consensual opinions on newspapers. There are some organisations that provide more "subversive" opinions but they are less popular
Show threadJudeNungaJan 18, 2023

@pythagore @atomicpoet

That's not the point I was making though, corporate media is dying regardless.

We just don't need them, they're irrelevant to many people. It doesn't matter what their opinions are. Maybe people are starting to think for themselves?

Show threadhalikularJan 18, 2023
@JudeNunga @pythagore @atomicpoet I agree there’s a real problem when random people on the Internet has higher integrity than news media and corporate journalists. Yet, who’s funding the news you do find out about anyway from friends and family, and the internet? Chances are it’s subscriptions, ads, and taxes. We still need them but their role is changing. Do keep in mind that something like 95% of news we consume is non actionable and irrelevant and can only be seen as entertainment at best.
Show threadJudeNungaJan 18, 2023

@halikular @pythagore @atomicpoet
Any important news I normally get from our taxpayer funded national broadcaster. The other news might be interesting but it's of little relevance.

Family news is just that, from family, and friends, and of no interest to others.

I don't rely much on news from social media, and prefer to use social media as more of an interesting way to discover and communicate.

Show threadJMJan 18, 2023
@halikular @JudeNunga @atomicpoet yes of course. I was more refering to media paid by subscriptions (like Mediapart in France).
I don't see media paid by ads as good because thay have to keep their ad providers happy and that can influence their line.
For the ones paid by taxes, it depends on how it's done. Russia today is also paid by taxes for example. But for what I've seen, public media in Europe seems to have some standards.
Show threadOsma A 🇫🇮🇺🇦Jan 18, 2023
@atomicpoet Remember the time Huffington Post (as they were then called) and BuzzFeed re-invented what news distribution looked like? I do. It may be that the world needs a new media company to do this again. I am kind of surprised the Vox Media properties haven't jumped on this.
Show threadGerty SteinblattJan 18, 2023

@atomicpoet
"Big social" buys a lot of advertising in press publications. Those outlets are paid puppet mouthpieces.

But you knew that. :)

Show threadVincent St. Pierre 🇨🇦Jan 18, 2023

@atomicpoet eggghhhh. The press fired their researchers and copy-editors a long time ago, so I'm not sure they'd have the ability to hire a programmer. Patreon-WordPress integration is probably as far as they go. And tech journalism oft' focuses on press releases and media events, with focuses on sponsorship to replace dwindling ad revenue...

  It makes me worried for the fifth estate. 😢

Show threadChris TrottierJan 18, 2023
@vsp Hey, it's their future.
Show threadVincent St. Pierre 🇨🇦Jan 18, 2023
@atomicpoet it makes me worried, Chris. 😢
Show threadtestingJan 18, 2023

@atomicpoet

«Instead, they piss away their future by doubling down on Big Social.» they embraced big social in the past when print media had already been in a downward spiral for almost a decade > they fear tiktok now > they are not innovators, but attention seekers

Show threadJohnWJan 18, 2023

@atomicpoet This actually smells a little like fear to me.

As more people get fed up and move away from centralized social media, the mainstream, corporate owned press may start to sneak in snippets that downplay Mastodon and similar.

Potentially losing their corporate clout is probably worrisome to them, but enjoyable to us.

You explained the fix... a simple matter. Whether they figure out that this could be a good thing for them remains to be seen.

Show threadDavid GerhartJan 18, 2023
@atomicpoet What kills me, and I need to keep saying it is that by continuing to intellectually slouch on these issues, their editorial labor is exploited - Their content is fueling the economic feudalism of corporate social media.
Show threadauthor_is_ShrikeTron🔠💉x5Jan 18, 2023

@atomicpoet "Big Social" is free IT and hosting, so they can focus on their content. But the big outlets that can afford their own large websites should be able to run their own social instances.

However, they need reach that's common to everybody - which loops back to "big social" as lowest energy point. Disqus/etc commenting systems didn't otherwise break out and dominate.

Of course the trade-off and core problem is when "infrastructure social" gets privatized by a single PERSON.

Show threadtestingJan 18, 2023
@atomicpoet indie media has a more open approach to the fedi ​​ than big media
Show threadMaria BustillosJan 18, 2023

@atomicpoet

"The press" is no kind of monolith; we don't all serve the Man.

Show threadChris TrottierJan 18, 2023
@maria Just because you're not a monolith doesn't mean your industry is immune from criticism 🙂
Show threadMaria BustillosJan 18, 2023
@atomicpoet oh you better believe I'm all for yelling at "libertarians"
Show threadGerty SteinblattJan 18, 2023

@atomicpoet
"This is why no one should trust the Press"

There, fixed. :P

Show threadLisaJan 18, 2023

@atomicpoet And Corporate interests run our Government.

Many not all of them. I hope the newer and younger crowd can avoid being lobbied & owned by Corporations.

Citizens United was also one of the worst decisions made by SCOTUS

Show threadBenCisco 🇺🇸🎖️🖥️♦️Jan 18, 2023

@atomicpoet McArgleBargle is a major purveyor of fact-free "journalism."

I call it "McJournalizm."

Show threadDaniel SchurterJan 18, 2023

@atomicpoet
Generalization is not helpful. I'm a journalist, and in my articles I highlight the benefits of free social media services like #Mastodon.

But profit-oriented media organizations are indeed too slow to respond to meaningful innovations unless they promise more money/traffic. And the #Twitter addiction of many colleagues is worrisome.

My interim conclusion: we should encourage people to venture into #Fediverse and guide them along the way. It's worth it!

Show threadDidiQJan 18, 2023
@atomicpoet Perhaps you could publish an op-Ed piece, comparing and contrasting privately-owned Twitter with Mastodon.
Show threadsmolwaffleJan 18, 2023

@atomicpoet I think it's even more than they don't want it to succeed. It's that their definition of success includes being a profit-seeking enterprise. So, structurally, the Fediverse cannot succeed, at least if we accept their terms.

This is the same ideology that says a company that starts and stays small is a failure, because it didn't become the next Amazon.

Show threadStatmonkey 🙊Jan 18, 2023
@atomicpoet The mainstream media are not press anymore they are the public relations team of the 1%. They are not your allies, they are against your interests.
Show threadJohnWJan 19, 2023

@atomicpoet Exactly!

It doesn't actually conflict with their interests, but they would have to put in some real work to be mainstream here.

That whole "not leaving the comfort zone" thing.

Show threadophiocephalic 🐍Jan 18, 2023

@atomicpoet Suggestion that, to the extent it's capitalist, the "journalism industry" doesn't deserve to be saved. Journalism needs to be recontextualized beyond the profit motive. And yes, the federation can be a part of that.

The narrative you mention is an example of what sucks about corporate journalism. That was inevitable because it's a trope of capitalist media product - the narrative arc of the rise and fall. The earlier positive press was a setup for the other shoe dropping

Show threadamincoJan 18, 2023

@atomicpoet
This cycle is quite common in print and electronic media. Praise followed by criticism and vice versa.

Also, a print op-ed can express positions not identical with the official position of the newspaper. Not saying I like it, just that an opinion published in Wapo doesn't necessarily represent the opinion of Wapo. Pick your fights.

Show threadLisaJan 18, 2023

@atomicpoet I haven't used twitter much at all in the past month.
I find myself logging on to Mastodon now instead of twitter & twitter is an after thought. Going to lock my account down & try to back it up, if possible?

As for the journalists, I'm sure some of their superiors are requiring they still utilize it. Hoping that becomes a thing of the past sooner than NOT.

Show threadOblomovJan 18, 2023
@atomicpoet quite convinced there's many of the elements of abusive relationships when Twitter is involved in general <https://sociale.network/@oblomov/109700537932781400> although in the press case I'm willing to bet that there short-term and short-sighted financial motives behind the thing.
Oblomov (@[email protected])

If you've ever wondered why people find it hard to get away from abusive relationships, you have to look no further than anyone still using Twitter as their primary platform. I have no doubts that victims of abuse will find this toot offensive and insulting, especially if they survived physically violent abusive relationships, but still, there's little doubt that the psychological mechanisms between the two are quite similar.

sociale.network
Show threadJeff JarvisJan 18, 2023
@atomicpoet
See: https://mastodon.social/@jeffjarvis/109705977960896963
Show threadShy bunnyJan 18, 2023

@atomicpoet That moment will remain with me for some time: the WaPo's response to the banning not being "WTF? We're outta here." but rather, "I say! Dashed rude of you, old chap. We demand an explanation and reinstatement! Please?"

But then, I suppose maintenance of the status quo is a full-time job.

Show threadCleo of Topless TopicsJan 18, 2023
@atomicpoet
that sounds like some straight up Bloomberg shit.
Show threadSanityNowJan 18, 2023
@atomicpoet
Most of us here no longer rely on MSM "journalists" to be to astute.
Show thread 𝚜𝚎𝚕𝚎𝚊 Jan 18, 2023

@atomicpoet

lmao! the linux part!!!

Show threadSir Dr Rusty o the Isle 🖤💛❤️Jan 18, 2023
@atomicpoet a lot of people aren't as expert as they think are they.
Show threadcostrikeJan 18, 2023
@atomicpoet Her track record remains flawless in all the wrong ways.
Show threadJB EmmonsJan 18, 2023
@atomicpoet
McArdle has been wrong about so, so many things for decades. Why should she stop now?
https://www.pastemagazine.com/politics/megan-mcardle/megan-mcardle-fails-upwards-again-this-time-to-the/
Megan McArdle Is the Poster Child for Failing Upward in America

The Koch Brothers have officially infiltrated the Washington Post.

pastemagazine.com
Show threadMarco Jan 19, 2023
@IntlLawGnome @atomicpoet this article is gold
Show threadArindam BasuJan 18, 2023

Megan seems unaware that actual problem with social media really is centralization

100% agree! +++ to that! Well said!

There needs to be a takedown or rebuttal to this Washington Post piece. The author does not understand #Fediverse or #Mastodon, and has serious misunderstanding of #Linux and federated media. #Mastodon was never a ‘replacement’ for Twitter, rather, twitter can be viewed as just another server that has ‘defederated’ itself and is narrow; #Mastodon being a player in the #Fediverse is part of a larger ecosystem.

Arins Hub

Show threadVoronJan 18, 2023
@atomicpoet Big corporate media was never going to jump on board with the fediverse, they are access driven.
Now the critiques raise some valid points but in a completely slanted way.
Yes, many users want a simple intuitive app with decent functionality, no the fediverse doesn’t have that …YET, 👈 key point, developers are driving that way hard, & I’m fairly certain there will be a couple really sweet intuitive phone apps that fit the bill
Fediverse = many small biz = innovation
Show threadjanstraubeJan 18, 2023
@atomicpoet
The arguments are from a consumer perspective. As consumer, I want things to be easily accessible and am willing to pay (with my data).
Mastodon user are users, not consumers. The political implications of a decentralized and community driven network are completely neglected in the article.
So maybe the fediverse will not be a commercial success. But it is and will be a community success.
Show threadPrinceOfDenmarkJan 18, 2023

@atomicpoet Contrarian opinion: At this moment, being misread and misinterpreted by big media outlets is not a bad thing.

I’ve lived in a few boomtowns - accidentally moving there just as big change was starting (Austin in the late 80s, San Francisco in the mid-90s). Being the cool place where all the cool kids need to be does not tend to improve the neighborhood.

I’m a Twitter transplant myself and don’t need to pull up the ladder behind me. But how about some slow growth now?

Show threadThe Saanich DailyJan 18, 2023
@atomicpoet If they can't commodify it they can't see value in it.
Show threadAccept purpose.Jan 18, 2023

@atomicpoet as much as hate reading Megan McArdle is a pleasurable vice she's somewhat of a lightweight in terms of influence. Her main function seems to be justifying the status quo.

That said, she's trivially right about one thing; to wit, the fediverse will not replace twitter. It has no need to, the fediverse is it's own thing and the evolution of social media.

Indeed, I would bet that most of the innovation in social media over the next decade comes from things that speak activitypub.

Show threadChris TrottierJan 18, 2023
@laprice I agree with you.
Show threadMike GaruccioJan 18, 2023
@atomicpoet “Linux is a failure” *posted to a site hosted on Linux servers, then consumed on phones running Linux by connecting over network gear running linux, while drinking coffee brewed by a coffee pot also running Linux*
Show threadPaweł LenartowiczJan 18, 2023
@mgaruccio @atomicpoet
Also, isn’t Apple using Darwin, which is UNIX(like) Kernel?
Show thread73 million secondsJan 18, 2023

@mgaruccio @atomicpoet The author did mention Android so she's not completely unaware. Her point is more about Linux not making that much headway on desktop PCs which is at least true. I think it's pretty difficult to try to say it can't work out for Mastodon because it didn't work in that case.

I do think the average person has not shown all that much concern for interoperability or openness when choosing which tools to use on their computer historically.