Sheril KirshenbaumJan 17, 2023

“If current trends continue, women & men will be equally represented in the field of biology in 2069. In physics, math & engineering, women should not expect to reach parity for more than a century.“

“The data show that women are systematically denied the chief currencies of scientific credit: publications & citations.”

https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674919297&fbclid=IwAR1n_I15VP9IWil1uOoFjUwcxvrm_k9tKfxaAQExVUeaL7kYVGsB4b1zC9w&mibextid=Zxz2cZ #women #science #books

Equity for Women in Science — Cassidy R. Sugimoto, Vincent Larivière

Equity for Women in Science is the first large-scale empirical study of the global gender gap in science. Analyzing millions of scientific papers, the authors show that women are undervalued for their labor in science as measured through publications and citations. The data also reveal how the scientific community can promote equity.

Show threadSheril KirshenbaumJan 17, 2023

To be clear, it’s not about getting women & girls excited about science. We are! It’s about keeping us there.

Scientific institutions weren’t built by women or for us. Cultural norms & social mores often discourage us from staying. Retention numbers from earning a PhD to becoming a full professor are nearly identical now to when I was early career in the 2000s. /2

Show threadDave SampsonJan 17, 2023

@Sheril curious to hear more of what #CitizenScience groups and #HobbyScience clubs like #AmateurRadio can do to attract and retain #WomenInScienceEngineering #WISE

I studied #OutdoorRecreation and #Geography, I am employed in #InformationTechnology. I also joined #AmateurRadio late in life.

My lesson learned is that vocation might contrast or compliment avocation.

I also acknowledge my bias and privilege as a white middle class middle aged male in Canada

How can I help?

Show threadNina WilsonJan 17, 2023
@Samperd @Sheril The main problem is how women are treated in the companies, so hobby type groups don't help.
Women often have to fight to get on professional training courses than their male colleagues are given. Their ideas are often dismissed (I've routed solution through male colleagues just to get them done.) They are refused internal promotions, the post will get advertised when they're on holiday or requirements worded so they just miss them.
Show threadDave SampsonJan 17, 2023

@NinaWilson @Sheril when you mention that hobby groups don't help, what do you mean? Sometimes tone is hard to pick up like sarcasm.

Are they actually making things worse? Maybe they don't have a role to play. Or maybe they COULD help but have not stepped forward.

Since some technical hobbies are filled with a majority of males and they could exhibit simmilar characteristics of coworkers or employers, I wonder if there are opportunities to experiment in this space.

Show threadNina WilsonJan 17, 2023
@Samperd @Sheril Sorry, no, didn't mean they are harmful, just that it isn't getting females interested that is the problem, it is getting men to accept them on an equal basis.
That said, they could provide some help by allowing females to network more if they can be non-sexist. If they have the same toxic attitudes as the work-place, the last thing a woman wants to do is have the same battles in her spare time.
Show threadDave Sampson

@NinaWilson @Sheril thanks for the clarification Nina, appreciated.

Valid points too.

Jan 17, 2023 at 11:40pmWeb