Phrases like “piece of cake” and “easy as pie” are super misleading about baking’s difficulty level.
@batkaren I never thought of it like that but you’re so obviously correct!
@batkaren I always thought it was more about the eating than the baking 😁
@emery @batkaren If you think eating pie is easy, you must have learned how to keep it falling completely apart between cutting the slice and putting it on the plate
@jlroberson @batkaren Ah, but *serving* the pie is an entirely different skill from *eating* the pie! 🍽️ 🥧
@batkaren you’re right. It should be “easy as toast” or “piece of bread”

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@batkaren I think it's related to how much one has to do when receiving either in the face
@batkaren "Easy as soup" would be a lot closer!
@batkaren I guess I always thought those phrases were referring to ease of eating…

@batkaren I thought “piece of cake” was about the relative ease of *serving* the cake.

Which, come to think of it, I often find to be surpringly difficult, too.

@batkaren i giggled a little too hard at this, but its very true! I have heck of a time getting pie crust cooked all the way through without burning the top. Too many times the bottom still tastes 'doughey'.

@batkaren Cake is pretty easy, until it comes time to frost it.

I've never mastered the art of pie crust. Ugh. So my pie is bought frozen from the supermarket, and heated up an hour before mealtime. Yay.

@batkaren probably because they were coined by people who had servants and cooks.
@batkaren From my own experience in the hospitality industry, the "Pastry" station was the most difficult due to the scientific precision necessary to elevate the art to the highest expression. There was no place to hide any mistake, especially one that was "baked" into the product early in process. I've always had the highest respect for the Patissier.
@batkaren Never thought about this, but you are right. It should be "simple as soup" or "easy as stew"
@batkaren Wonder if it means how easy it is to *eat* said items ;)
Great point. I suppose those are expressed from the consumers’ perspective rather than the creators… 🙂

@batkaren I know it's a joke, but remember, "piece of cake" is essentially "little effort to finish-off" (eat). Easy as pie COULD be the same, but having listened to podcasts like @neilbuttery's, I would think comes from the pies that were flour & water shells - thick & easy to make - followed by pouring in pre-boiled meats & herbs, then baking.

I'd assume it stems from a time when the alternative was stewing over a fireplace in a pot (or pottage) or boiling a gammon (salted/smoked pork leg).

@jann @batkaren This is something I've never thought about, but yes, I think that you're probably right. Both 'basic' foods that anyone could make and eat. That said, they do actually a good amount of skill to make!

@neilbuttery @batkaren Having watched Annie Gray UMPTEEN TIMES doing just that, I am SURE they do require a lot of skill to make RIGHT! Especially that huge one she and her team made for Lucy Worsley's special #Christmas #Tudor episode! What was it, a meter across? 😳

I always marveled when I saw her on TV making something really "13th or 16th century-ish"!

ps: Neil has a podcast episode with Annie, if anyone is interested.

@batkaren if you need a replacement, in French we say (litterally) "fingers in the nose"
https://fr.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/fingers_in_the_nose
fingers in the nose — Wiktionnaire

@batkaren maybe it should be as easy as eating a piece of pie or cake. I generally find that much easier to do.
@batkaren I always interpret those expressions as “eating” cake /pie which probably says more about me than I wish it did.

@batkaren Cakes and pies are much simpler than croissants and souffles :)

I think they really means pleasant, enjoyable, agreeable, etc. Even easy in easy as pie really means agreeable. Easy like Sunday morning.

@batkaren Yes, I've always wondered where those homilies come from. As far as batter is concerned, I never try anything above pancakes or matzo balls.
@batkaren well, we are referring to the eating part
@batkaren seems those turns of phrase come from consumers of cake, not bakers, right. #typical #privilege
@batkaren it’s hard to the point we dedicated modern technology to making it easy and now it’s easy to make pie tbh
@batkaren easy as my decision to devour the pie once it is sitting in front of me?
@batkaren i always thought the phrases “piece of cake” and “easy as pie” related to their consumption. not their baking. Cake and pie are delicious. Who wouldn’t want cake or pie?! Getting people to say yes to them is easy - hence the expression 😄
@batkaren huh, never considered that before 🤔
I just assumed it was because those foods are nice and easy to eat 🙈