Crowdsourcing your ideas for the #BrainIdeasCountdown:

Before we all turn into Winter Holiday pumpkins: What are some most interesting ideas in brain research that I haven't highlighted yet? I've sketched out my own ideas for these last 2/10 days (promise!). But brain research is working on so much & I'm curious to hear your thoughts about what exactly that is. Here's my (random) list:

Idea10: Our moods depend on what's happening in our gut.

Idea 9: Across individuals, the same brain functions are implemented by biological details that vary a lot.

Idea 8: Consciousness level can be measured by measures of brain activity complexity.

Idea 7: Stimulation of the brain at multiple nodes may dance it from dysfunction back to normal function.

Idea 6: Gene therapy may circumvent the need to understand how mutated proteins lead to brain dysfunction.

Idea 5: Neurons in the brain influence one another through the electric fields that they generate, ephaptic coupling.

Idea 4: Our health and well-being is determined not just by our genes, but also the genes of those around us, "social genetic effects."

Idea 3: We rely on our memories of the past to predict the future.

Idea 2: We can control the excitability of neurons by shining light on them, optogenetics.

Idea 1: Free will is NOT an illusion.

  • Ideas 1 & 2 updated posthoc to complete the list.

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So: What haven't I highlighted yet?

Thinking about brain research this way is a bit of a twist on how we normally think about things. I would say that we tend to think more in terms of findings, eg "That paper found ..." whereas this is something more like, "That stack of papers is working on the idea that ..."

It's interesting to think about one's own work in that light: What ideas am I working on and who else is working on the same idea (perhaps with a different approach)? Similarly, what sorts of ideas is the field working on? And are these ideas new or old?

Here's a slightly more provocative way to pose the question: In The Idea of the Brain, Matthew Cobb argues, "In reality, no major conceptual innovation has been made in our overall understanding of how the brain works for over half a century ... we still think about brains in the way our scientific grandparents did."

Setting aside semantic debates about what constitutes a "major conceptual innovation", brain researchers are clearly working on a large number of ideas that their grandparents had not thought of. But what are those, exactly?

@NicoleCRust Matthew Cobb is here too @matthewcobb – has there been any recent idea on what the brain is or how it operates that wasn't a rehash of an idea from before 1970?
#neuroscience #brain
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Thanks! And really great question. How about:
The brain is a complex recurrent dynamical system, Hopfield 1982.
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.79.8

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Or this one? Across different individuals, the same brain functions are implemented by biological details that vary a lot. This is true even for simple circuits like the ones that control the stomach of a crab, where the numbers of ion channels can vary 2-6x across different crabs but the circuit always does the same thing.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/arti

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I'd love to see anyone add to this list! But the main point is also really important for everyone to grasp, I think: there are many fewer things in this list than you might imagine.
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A shocking correlate of this is that the vast majority of brain researchers never come up with a new idea about how the brain works. Which I don't throw out there to belittle (I'm one too) but to inspire the next generation: WE.NEED.NEW.IDEAS.ABOUT.HOW.THE.BRAIN.WORKS!

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One of the things I've been struggling with recently is how the vast majority of papers (including most or arguably all of mine) don't propose an idea that could in principle get us closer to understanding how the brain does what it does. I have the feeling that there was this moment in time when people were coming up with tons of crazy theories. They were all wrong (probably) but it was exciting. Now we're just talking about how many dimensions a 'neural manifold' has and I just can't get excited about that (sorry manifold people). In my case, I think I've had a small handful of ideas that went in the direction I'd like neuroscience to be going in of proposing ideas that could scale to part of a full explanation of the brain, but I haven't pursued them because they were hard to define or get funding for. My resolution for 2023 is to focus more on those interesting questions and less on things that I think are easy to get published or get funding. For what it's worth, the biggest challenge to neuroscience I reckon is how it can operate in a stable way based on what seems to be a surprisingly unstable substrate (e.g. synaptic turnover). If I had a good idea about how to solve that problem, that's what I'd be working on.

Edited to add: I don't mean to criticise anyone's work! It's more a personal realisation that I've not been pursuing research directions that I believe could really lead to understanding the brain. On a metascience level, I think it's important that different people take very different approaches, most of which they will disagree on. If it's not like this, we won't make progress. My realisation is perhaps that I've been trying too hard to fit in and it's not working for me.

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Dan, I'm not sure I agree with you but need to think. One place for ideas is in review/conceptual papers and I think there's a good amount of ideas going around in those. I have tried to be active on this end, or at least as much as time permits.

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There seems to be a small circle of people indeed doing work like this, notably you, Paul Cisek, Kevin here too, but even this conceptually exciting work is still very far from diffusing throughout the neuroscience community: most, unfortunately, still know nothing of it, which, I think, is the reality Dan's comment reflects.
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I didn't mean to criticise anyone's work! It's more a personal realisation that I've not been pursuing research directions that I believe could really lead to understanding the brain. On a metascience level, I think it's important that different people take very different approaches, most of which they will disagree on. If it's not like this, we won't make progress. My realisation is perhaps that I've been trying too hard to fit in and it's not working for me.
@neuralreckoning
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Didn't take it as a criticism at all. To the point of making more vigorous impact as @WorldImagining says, well that's part of science. Ideas have complex ways of diffusing and have their own dynamics... (sorry to be so predictable!)

@PessoaBrain @neuralreckoning @WorldImagining @NicoleCRust @albertcardona @matthewcobb @WiringtheBrain A latent question throughout this thread is whether we would recognize a powerful new idea if it did come along (or has come along?...). It seems common to expect "new" ideas to be "exciting", etc, but I don't see those expectations as necessary or even desirable. If some new concept is a stepping stone to a powerful shift in understanding, it seems just as likely it would be difficult to reconcile with our current way of thinking. Otherwise, why didn't the shift already happen?

A really new idea about the brain is likely to be challenging and unreasonable, to be something we instinctively try to reject. More a thief in the night than a triumphal entrance, waiting for its importance to be discovered in retrospect. Like the old joke: every great scientific idea is wrong before it is obvious.

I expect you have counter-examples to offer, and I am dramatizing a bit. But a paltry return on the enormous number of person-hours going into brain science might arise not because we just haven't found that great new idea yet, but because we're fundamentally wrong about something, and error correction is psychologically harder than novelty detection.

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Here’s one: what if substantial neural computation & memory is carried out by genetic circuitry (eg miRNA & TF networks) that control pulse amplitude, frequency, & LTP? A network inside each node of a network.

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It’s undeniable that neurons aren’t simple cells, and that particularities of their cellular metabolism play a role in neural circuit function. An obvious link between neural function and molecular components is Ca2+, which beyond uses in monitoring neural activity has been proposed as a basis for molecular ticker tapes of activity, written directly to the genome.
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Key question is whether we can ignore cell metabolism and still make sense of neural circuit function? Recent work by Hermann Cuntz lab on the degeneracy of ion channels https://arxiv.org/abs/2203.06391 hints that perhaps yes: the molecular level has the means to implement homeostasis so as to brush over details of cellular architecture that would otherwise require careful attention.
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Pareto optimality, economy-effectiveness trade-offs and ion channel degeneracy: Improving population models of neurons

Nerve cells encounter unavoidable evolutionary trade-offs between multiple tasks. They must consume as little energy as possible (be energy-efficient or economical) but at the same time fulfil their functions (be functionally effective). Neurons displaying best performance for such multi-task trade-offs are said to be Pareto optimal. However, it is not understood how ion channel parameters contribute to the Pareto optimal performance of neurons. Ion channel degeneracy implies that multiple combinations of ion channel parameters can lead to functionally similar neuronal behavior. Therefore, to simulate functional behavior, instead of a single model, neuroscientists often use populations of valid models with distinct ion conductance configurations. This approach is called population (also database or ensemble) modeling. It remains unclear, which ion channel parameters in a vast population of functional models are more likely to be found in the brain. Here we propose that Pareto optimality can serve as a guiding principle for addressing this issue. The Pareto optimum concept can help identify the subpopulations of conductance-based models with ion channel configurations that perform best for the trade-off between economy and functional effectiveness. In this way, the high-dimensional parameter space of neuronal models might be reduced to geometrically simple low-dimensional manifolds. Therefore, Pareto optimality is a promising framework for improving population modeling of neurons and their circuits. We also discuss how Pareto inference might help deduce neuronal functions from high-dimensional Patch-seq data. Furthermore, we hypothesize that Pareto optimality might contribute to our understanding of observed ion channel correlations in neurons.

arXiv.org

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On the other hand, the double genome duplication from mere chordates to vertebrates, and the expansion of neural gene families in cephalopods & other invertebrate families with species that score high for cognition, suggest that molecules matter a lot. Even between the reptile cerebral cortex and the mammalian, a key difference between pyramidal cells has been suggested as molecular.
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On reptile pyramidal cells I’m thinking of:

“Cellular physiology of the turtle visual cortex: distinctive properties of pyramidal and stellate neurons”
Connors & Kriegstein 1986 https://www.jneurosci.org/content/6/1/164.short

and

“Dendritic properties of turtle pyramidal neurons”
Larkum & al. 2008 https://journals.physiology.org/doi/abs/10.1152/jn.01076.2007

#neuroscience #reptile #cortex

Cellular physiology of the turtle visual cortex: distinctive properties of pyramidal and stellate neurons

The electrophysiological properties of neurons in the three-layered dorsal cortex of the turtle, Pseudemys scripta elegans, have been studied in vitro. Intracellular recordings suggested two distinct classes of neuronal behavior. Cell labeling with either Lucifer Yellow or horseradish peroxidase revealed that these behaviors correlated with the two morphological classes of cortical neurons: pyramidal cells and stellate cells. Examination of Golgi-stained neurons of dorsal cortex did not uncover any other obvious classes. Pyramidal cells had their somata in the cell layer, and extended several densely spined apical dendrites through the molecular layer to the pia. They also had spiny basilar dendrites directed through the subcellular layer toward the ependymal border. Physiologically, pyramidal cells had relatively prolonged action potentials that showed marked frequency adaptation during a sustained suprathreshold current pulse. Their most striking characteristic was a tendency to fire two discrete sizes of action potential, one small (mean = 34 mV) and of relatively low threshold, the other large (mean = 76 mV) and of higher threshold. We hypothesize that at least some small spikes arise from distal dendritic sites, whereas large spikes are somatically generated. Both spikes were tetrodotoxin-sensitive, although calcium-dependent electrogenesis occurred when potassium channels were blocked. In contrast to pyramidal cells, the somata of stellate cells were found in the molecular and subcellular zones. Their dendrites tended to be horizontally oriented and spine-free. Stellate cells had relatively brief action potentials, each of which was followed by a large but short-lasting undershoot of membrane potential. Stellate cells showed little or no spike frequency adaptation. Spike amplitudes were always relatively uniform and large (mean = 73 mV). Thus, in the dorsal cortex of turtles, the pyramidal cells, which are projection neurons, and stellate cells, which are local GABAergic inhibitory neurons, have distinctly different membrane characteristics. The physiological properties of the two types of turtle cortical neurons are very similar to their counterparts in cortical structures of the mammalian telencephalon.

Journal of Neuroscience

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Interesting. But some turtles are pretty unique reptiles no? I mean, some have a layered sector of pallium/cortex. Three layers right? It's been a while since I read it last.

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Classical cytoarchitectonic work of reptile cerebral cortex is wrong. Tosches and Laurent (2018) https://www.science.org/doi/full/10.1126/science.aar4237 demonstrated that not only all inhibitory neuron types are there except for Chandelier cells, but also the layering is far more elaborate and much closer to mammals than ever known before.