Martijn BAARDADec 26, 2022
After only one year of Taliban rule, girls and women have almost disappeared from Afghan society. They are not allowed to travel, to work alone, to go to public parks, to talk or laugh in public, and they are not allowed to study and to go to school... Photo: Boushra Almutawakel
Show threadPonygirlDec 26, 2022
@baarda "Religion poisons everything"- Hitch
Show threadJCF 🍻 🎸 🇨🇵 💻🐧Dec 26, 2022
@Ponygirl
Not religion but extremism
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Show threadSir LoinstakeDec 27, 2022
@JCF @Ponygirl @baarda The OP was right. Religion is a human construct designed to oppress
Show threadJCF 🍻 🎸 🇨🇵 💻🐧Dec 27, 2022
@sirloinstake
Actually a religion is made to find answers to the inexplicable, the magic, a way of life, the meaning of life. With religion cames habits and coutumes, celebrations (just see solstice pagan celebrations)... But also extremism wich open the door to hate, opression, etc.
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Show threadSir Loinstake
@JCF @Ponygirl @baarda If you put it like that, science is the new religion and God (in whatever shape or form) has no place in it
Dec 27, 2022 at 1:26pmWeb
Show threadJCF 🍻 🎸 🇨🇵 💻🐧Dec 27, 2022

@sirloinstake
No because a religion suggest also a part of mysticism (spirits, gods, places), legends (heroes, stories, places too) and as I said, a way of life, habits and coutumes, so culture to (food, dress, etc). And TRY to explain inexplicable...

Science is made of facts and History, allow understand "why" with clues, improve the life and possibilities (medicine, engineering etc).
Transfom Magic is not magic because (explanations and comprehention)...

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Show threadJCF 🍻 🎸 🇨🇵 💻🐧Dec 27, 2022

@sirloinstake

Magic is just science that we don't understand. And science that we don't understand can be TRY to be explain by religion as "it is God' Will"

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Show threadPonygirlDec 27, 2022
@JCF @sirloinstake @baarda "Real magic is fake, and fake magic is real" -Matt Dillahunty
Show threadJCF 🍻 🎸 🇨🇵 💻🐧Dec 27, 2022
@Ponygirl
And when magic is understood, it is not magic anymore neither religion thing... It becomes science
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Show threadPonygirlDec 27, 2022
@JCF @sirloinstake @baarda I think I agree with this, but I can't think of anything religious that has become science. Any examples?
Show threadJCF 🍻 🎸 🇨🇵 💻🐧Dec 27, 2022

@Ponygirl
Meteorological and geological facts for example. 😉

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Show threadPonygirlDec 27, 2022
@JCF @sirloinstake @baarda Maybe some wonder emanated from religious teachings, but people investigated irregardless of religion.
Show threadSir LoinstakeDec 27, 2022
@Ponygirl @JCF @baarda and were vilified for it, you only have to take Galileo as one example
Show threadJCF 🍻 🎸 🇨🇵 💻🐧Dec 27, 2022

@sirloinstake
For a matter of power, I agree.
And some people want also destroy what is misunderstood.

Actually science and religion are corrosive to each other

But now some religions have a kind of assembly of scientists well known, estimated.

«Since along time, we though science will throw religious function, but It was a mistake» H. Reeves

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Show threadSir LoinstakeDec 27, 2022
@JCF @Ponygirl @baarda They also want to destroy what is understood if it corrupts others against their way of thinking
Show threadJCF 🍻 🎸 🇨🇵 💻🐧Dec 27, 2022

@sirloinstake
I'm sorry but, can't you see the positive ?
I mean, religion, as life, has bad sides... And good too. If you can only see the bad, when could you see the good, in the life too? And how could you be happy?

I am not praticant, and I know the disasters of religionS. But I also know their benefits.
In our time, just think about Mother Theresa or the Abbé Pierre (🇨🇵 both) and what they've done for humanity.
And I'm sure their equivalements exists in all religions.

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Show threadSir LoinstakeDec 27, 2022
@JCF @Ponygirl @baarda Man doesn't need religion to have a moral code, just decent education and some semblance of humanity, and I have no need for any form of God. I see the good and bad sides of life, and have lived through some of them There was no one guiding me through it. Just me and myself. And trust me I have been to some very dark places in my mind. I care primarily about myself and those I choose to let into my life, but I also care about humanity without the need to signal it
Show threadPonygirlDec 27, 2022
@sirloinstake @JCF @baarda Well said sir!!
Show threadJCF 🍻 🎸 🇨🇵 💻🐧Dec 27, 2022

@sirloinstake
As I said and I maintain my position and opinion:

Since humanity exists, the problem is not the religion but the extremists, the fanatics.

THEY oppress
THEY order
THEY destroy
THEY want to conquier
THEM, fanatics, extremists

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Show threadSir LoinstakeDec 27, 2022
@JCF @Ponygirl @baarda They don't need religion, though as you pointed out earlier, some have used it as a prop. However it is elements of humanity who contravene the norms of morality
Show threadJCF 🍻 🎸 🇨🇵 💻🐧Dec 27, 2022

@Ponygirl
Not everything is to be thown away in religion: hope, kindness, strength, be strong minded, resilent is a certain way, self-belief and self-confidence, love, compation etc.

Actually, human values.

A God conception is made for it, not for war, anger, profit, oppression...

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Show threadJCF 🍻 🎸 🇨🇵 💻🐧Dec 27, 2022

@Ponygirl

I fact the one or the population who have a restricted view of a religion (or anything else subject actually) can not have a good judgement of the situation and will be extremist with the whole subject because of a little part of the subject.

After all, it is human to see the 10% od bad instead of the 90% of good

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Show threadSir LoinstakeDec 27, 2022
@JCF @Ponygirl @baarda Anything not yet understood is merely a new avenue of scientific exploration, not god's will
Show threadPonygirlDec 27, 2022
@sirloinstake @JCF @baarda Or Santa's will lol! Just going with the season!!
Show threadSir LoinstakeDec 27, 2022
@Ponygirl @JCF @baarda Bah humbug,
Show threadJCF 🍻 🎸 🇨🇵 💻🐧Dec 27, 2022

@sirloinstake
Humbug for whom does not wants a little part of magic.

For me it is just a moment of share something different with friends and family... Not for commercial aspect.

I prone DIY actualy.
For example I made this for my Bros, coaster with formica and cork... 8 for each, with a hand mad pouch.

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Show threadSir LoinstakeDec 27, 2022
@JCF @Ponygirl @baarda very nice, and very functional.. I like functional
Show threadJCF 🍻 🎸 🇨🇵 💻🐧Dec 27, 2022
@sirloinstake
Thank you
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Show threadJCF 🍻 🎸 🇨🇵 💻🐧Dec 27, 2022

@Ponygirl
Yeaah Santa

Saint Nicolas

In my family we know also Father January and Father Decembers (each in green dress code) as two kind of pixies

Then with time, Church and Coca change them as Santa (really fast shortcut)

Before Santa their were differents beliefs and with time they were combine in one only
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Show threadPonygirlDec 27, 2022
@JCF @sirloinstake @baarda Super interesting!!
Show threadSir LoinstakeDec 27, 2022
@JCF @Ponygirl @baarda Early Christianity paid little attention to the birth of Christ. They tended to focus on his death, and othodoxy churches still do. It was only when the christian missionaries realised they were struggling to convert because they were competing with the "pagan" gods, that they incorporated the Winter Solstice into their fable. A means to an end!
Show threadJCF 🍻 🎸 🇨🇵 💻🐧Dec 27, 2022

@sirloinstake
Not for religion 😉 except if religion accept science

But when you know those points, science can't be religion

- religion : God, mysticism, legends, lore
- science : no god, facts History (no lores)
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