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Judd LegumGrowing vaccine hesitancy fuels measles, chickenpox resurgence in U.S.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/12/26/vaccine-hesitancy-measles-chickenpox-polio-flu/
Ande Jacobson@juddlegum: The term "vaccine hesitancy" ignores the fact that many of the anti-vaxxers (maybe most) are willfully ignorant and destructive. We used to have vaccine mandates to attend schools and work in most public facing positions. These saved lives.
🌊Ann Morris🐕🍀🌎🌊🌊@goodreedAJ @juddlegum EXACTLY what I was coming to say, but you said it better! Thank you.
gdtrfb@juddlegum No one could have predicted....
AcceptableStaff@juddlegum it’s a shame that science is being disregarded at the cost of our children
@acceptable_staff @juddlegum whats sad is many are doing it because they think they are protecting their children because money grubbers like Andrew Wakefield tricked them
Russ Burlingame@juddlegum If only we could have foreseen that bad faith trolls making vaccinations into a political wedge issue would have negative consequences!
Adam Burck@juddlegum It’s sad to say but folks who persist in this just will not be swayed until they have tragedies in their family or inner circle. We, of course, should continue education but at some point #evolution will take effect. Yes, I have family/friends in that category. :(
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@adamburck @juddlegum Tragedy is no teacher to those who refuse to accept consequences.
There’s quite a few antivaxxers who chalk the woes they’ve created as just challenges to their faith.
Doctor of Electricity@juddlegum I wonder what other backwards movements could catch on. How about doctors no longer washing their hands before childbirth. Let’s bring back puerperal fever.
GuitarGirl@juddlegum The Darwining
Mrinappropriate@GuitarGirl @juddlegum It’s self limiting
Jeff Byrnes@juddlegum I just read this earlier this morning & it made me very sad. Just so much disinformation & misinformation out there, hurting & killing folks unnecessarily.
Robert Denby@juddlegum Special shout out to Jenny McCarthy and all those YouTube culture warriors who figured out that vaccines are totes evil. May they figure out how wrong they were before their children come down with a medieval disease not seen in the wild for decades.
Dennis Howard@juddlegum These kids getting chickenpox now are going to be really pissed at their anti-vax parents 50 years from now when they get shingles!
Jo Qatana@dennishoward there’s a vaccine for that, too.
GoodTrouble 🌊🗳️🗽🇺🇸🔬💉😷📚🇺🇦🏳️🌈🟰@dennishoward @juddlegum I got caught in the chicken pox cross hairs in 2019 as an adult. We didn’t have the vaccine when I was a kid and I thought I had it or I would have gotten the vaccine. The pain was unreal and I ended up working from home for weeks because it trashed my immune system so badly my dr was afraid of what else I might catch while recovering. 0 stars, do not recommend.
That Anonymous CowardOne can not discount those helpful white folk who have descended on immigrant communities and thoughtfully flew Wakefield over to get them to avoid vaccines for their children.
Katrags@juddlegum Evolution in action.
My antivax cousins on both sides of the spectrum are the dumbest, yet most egotisitcal people in the family.
Allow Hubris its day.
My antivax cousins on both sides of the spectrum are the dumbest, yet most egotisitcal people in the family.
Allow Hubris its day.
redheadedfemmeAnd this is precisely why we mandated vaccines in the first place, because the "hesitant" end up hurting other people.
Wade Wegner@juddlegum I think characterizing this as “vaccine hesitancy” is nonsense. It’s a willful disdain for scientific and medical advice coupled with a lack of care for others.
Robin@WadeWegner @juddlegum many many many communities can’t afford decent medical care or are underserved. Or have seen their communities mistreated or ignored. So their hesitancy is more than understood. I would consider amending or removing this post. It can read as really intolerant and unkind.
How Public Health Took Part in Its Own Downfall
The field’s future lies in reclaiming parts of its past that it willingly abandoned. https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/10/how-public-health-took-part-its-own-downfall/620457/
Lizard@juddlegum
“Hesitancy” is when you don’t want to go bungee jumping.
This is “people believing malicious lies and doubling down due to sunk cost fallacy when confronted with facts”. Perhaps “vaccine gullibility” or “vaccine willful ignorance” should be used, not “hesitancy”.
“Hesitancy” is when you don’t want to go bungee jumping.
This is “people believing malicious lies and doubling down due to sunk cost fallacy when confronted with facts”. Perhaps “vaccine gullibility” or “vaccine willful ignorance” should be used, not “hesitancy”.
Techronic9876@juddlegum anti vax sentiment was formerly the regime of a certain sect of hippies, then a major political party embraced it for political reasons, and now it’s a whole movement that has a new life of its own that’s actually killing people
The same thing is happening with election denial too— power grid attacks are the latest step in that process
Your Mom@juddlegum When my kiddo was born a few years back, we had a measles and whooping cough outbreak in WA. It was so scary having a little baby not yet eligible for those vaccines. And this was before COVID. I hope we can turn this around and get more folks on board with the miracles that vaccines are.
Big Head Tales@juddlegum I wonder how many Americans will die as a result of Republican lies and false medical advice?
NH-LycanThe latest CDC figures show that unvaccinated Americans are 11 times more likely to die of COVID than fully vaccinated — meaning double boosted — people, which means that by now we should be looking at something like 35 deaths per day, aka a relatively mild flu season, instead of the current 400 COVID deaths per day.
Shananigans@juddlegum Man, in 40-50 years there are going to be so many Shingles cases. I can't believe this anti-vax thing has gotten so bad.
DavidPetraitis@juddlegum
That coupled with Covid caused T cell weakness will be more fatal than usual. Idiocy abounds.
That coupled with Covid caused T cell weakness will be more fatal than usual. Idiocy abounds.
ThreadbaneSocial Darwinism in action. Leaning toward the macabre, perhaps Death itself will cost the Republicans enough support that the US can begin to behave like a civilized country again, and again allow the gov't to "promote the general Welfare".
12 Freya it/its𒀭𒈹𒍠𒊩@Threadbane @juddlegum that implies the US was ever a functional country instead of an illegitimate, violent, militaristic and corrupt empire-wanna-be that destroys all it touches and should never have existed in the first place...
@12 @juddlegum
Well, all countries were barbaric by today's standards in the 18th Century. Obviously, US history is worse than most when one adds in the Native American genocide and slavery, but I was referring more to a return to improving Constitutional gov't and fulfilling the Utopian aims of the Preamble. We were at least making progress to becoming a decent country until Reagan pulled the rug out from under us.
Well, all countries were barbaric by today's standards in the 18th Century. Obviously, US history is worse than most when one adds in the Native American genocide and slavery, but I was referring more to a return to improving Constitutional gov't and fulfilling the Utopian aims of the Preamble. We were at least making progress to becoming a decent country until Reagan pulled the rug out from under us.
@Threadbane @juddlegum .............. no. There were no such Utopian aims, at least, not unless you were a cishet white dude, the US is built on, will always be built on, and has always been built on oppression, violence, slavery, murder, and war. It is literally a war state. We hope to the goddess Inanna that the US ceased to exist quite bloody soon. The way it's going it quite might.
@12 @juddlegum
There are no gods. As for the violence, slavery, murder, et hoc genus omne, it is unclear to me that primitive ideas like those of Xianity and Islam are better than organized secular society as laid out by the Constitution. Your complaint seems to be against Europe and Western Civilization itself, although Attila the Hun was no slouch.
There are no gods. As for the violence, slavery, murder, et hoc genus omne, it is unclear to me that primitive ideas like those of Xianity and Islam are better than organized secular society as laid out by the Constitution. Your complaint seems to be against Europe and Western Civilization itself, although Attila the Hun was no slouch.
@Threadbane the fact you use "western civilisation" as a term is pretty... pretty sus. If you're saying our complaint is against white people, holy shit, yes our complaint is against white people! have you seen the dumb shit they do in the name of empire and colonisation! What in the name of Inanna made them think that was, like, at all a good idea- oh yeah, racism. Horrible fucking racism that is still not dead!
Orc@12 @Threadbane @juddlegum It doesn't take much to make a functional country. Building an slaver empire on a mountain of bones is not what makes a /good/ country, but, alas, good != functional.
🐍@Threadbane Did you just literally "MAGA, but Blue!" right here in public? I'd be embarrassed if I were you.
@6of47
I'm just an old hippy (79) who's never voted for a Republican in my life. I'm a socialist, not a capitalist. I stand for equal pay for equal work, national healthcare, no more agricultural chemicals, no fracking, restore the Colorado River and stop growing lettuce and walnuts in the California desert. My not-so-radical Utopian ideas include ACTUALLY disarming the police and making it all-but-impossible to own a gun.
Anyhow, I'd bet my societal goals are FAR to the Left of yours.
I'm just an old hippy (79) who's never voted for a Republican in my life. I'm a socialist, not a capitalist. I stand for equal pay for equal work, national healthcare, no more agricultural chemicals, no fracking, restore the Colorado River and stop growing lettuce and walnuts in the California desert. My not-so-radical Utopian ideas include ACTUALLY disarming the police and making it all-but-impossible to own a gun.
Anyhow, I'd bet my societal goals are FAR to the Left of yours.
@Threadbane @6of47 ahahahaha you what? You... are... based on your socialism you're a bit, sort of... racist? and a bit, like... the needless latin in your last message to us says a lot, dude
@12 @6of47 Ah. I see you are not merely a person who hates white people, but also an anti-intellectual.
To tell you the truth, your untidy thought processes seem to be hanging on the same nail now, and I'm bored: hate white people, hate the United States gov't (ie, the Constitution and the US Code of Law), hate education and people who have one (especially if they're white).
If you were white, you'd be a Deplorable.
@Threadbane @6of47 if we w-! You what, dude? We *are* white, or hadn't you noticed. We're just not a fan of theory-first communists who get all shouty about western civilisation. How about we, like, feed a homeless person, beat a fascist, give folks a place to stay, and then, like, do that a lot?
@12 @6of47
Western Civilization is synonymous with science. You seem totally oblivious to the Constitution being a product of the Enlightenment. It's a framework to "provide for the public Welfare" and rid government of the evil influences of religion and the Divine Right of Kings.
"our complaint is against white people! have you seen the dumb shit THEY do in the name of empire..."
You should have said, "WE do..." You hid your whiteness well.
@Threadbane @6of47 hid... our whiteness.... how do we "hide our whiteness". Also... you do realise that science existed in many, many countries that you would not class as "western"? And that science is kind of just inherently a thing that happens, no matter where you are?
@12 @6of47
The concept of mathematical proof and logic did not show up elsewhere. A reasonable approximation of pi did not exist elsewhere, nor did close approximations of the circumference of the Earth or the distance to the moon. Science might have eventually shown up elsewhere (it would be hard to argue not) but it DID show up in Ancient Greece.
You hid your "whiteness" by using "they" to disparage white people/Europeans, instead of "we". But I repeat myself.
@Threadbane @6of47 we'd rather not lump ourself in with the hateful mob, hey? We try, to the best of our abilities, *not* to perpetuate the goals of said hateful mob. Also... you know that we don't *know* that mathematical proof and logic... logic is one of the oldest and most basic forms of thought! It has existed since the first thoughts occured!
@Threadbane @6of47 just because a bunch of crotchety old white cunts wrote it down and that became the version perpetuated by a bunch of other white cunts for the benefit of maintaining their power base...
You are conflating "logic" with thinking, similar to the popular use of the word "theory" to mean a conjecture.
Here is Britannica's History of Logic entry. https://www.britannica.com/topic/history-of-logic
"history of logic, the history of the discipline from its origins among the ancient Greeks to the present time."
You would not find it interesting. I am merely showing that your definition of "logic" and mine are not at all the same - and the Greeks invented my "logic", not anyone else.
History of logic | Ancient, Medieval, Modern, & Contemporary Logic
history of logic, the history of the discipline from its origins among the ancient Greeks to the present time. There was a medieval tradition according to which the Greek philosopher Parmenides (5th century bce) invented logic while living on a rock in Egypt. The story is pure legend, but it does reflect the fact that Parmenides was the first philosopher to use an extended argument for his views rather than merely proposing a vision of reality. But using arguments is not the same as studying them, and Parmenides never systematically formulated or studied principles of argumentation in their own right.
@Threadbane @6of47 maybe they were the first to write it down, but that just shows elitist bias, I.E that only the elites, the rich, the accepted by society had access to the educational tools of that society
A lot of the information I use to make sense of the world has no gender, race, age, ethnic, solar system, galaxy, or time bias, and those the things can be found in books. You give no evidence that you know, or are even aware of, any of these things.
About all I have detected in your vitriol is that white men have never given the world anything of value, rich white men even less. Everything that white men have ever written is merely plagiarism, exploitative or racist lies.
Got it.
@Threadbane @6of47 preeeeeeetty much, yep! What you call "western civilisation" is a hyper-individualist, toxic mess of lies, racism, violence, and the desperate attempt to forever state one entity is better than another. We are all one. Humans just refuse to see it... the only way this species can and will survive is by becoming a hive mind
@Threadbane @6of47 you're not wrong,. there. But you're also pushing some seriously fucked up and historically *highly* racist ideas about what is considered "civilised". Homelessness *is* the fault of capitalism, but fascism is the fault of the false belief in empire and conquest, in power, in individuality, in the freedom *to* rather than the freedom *from*.
@juddlegum Unbelievable. Vaccine hesitancy is too kind. Vaccine conspiracists is more accurate. Interestingly, so many of the ‘hesitant’ spreading anti-vaccine propaganda were vaccinated for these diseases.
Rufus T. Firefly@juddlegum Thing is, as far as the fascisti are concerned, increases in childhood mortality and the possible collapse of the healthcare system aren't bugs, they're features. People don't accept fascism because they're happy and secure. You need a populace that's frightened and suffering. Then you tell them are their problems were caused by Them and the solution is a Strong Leader who will punish Them.
Kimberly Marie@juddlegum these parents should be charged with child abuse.
Gen X-Wing@juddlegum @Techronic9876 Domestic bioterrorists.
Timo Grün@juddlegum
Not just there, also here in Europe. I have several in my broader circle. It beggars belief.
Not just there, also here in Europe. I have several in my broader circle. It beggars belief.
ForzaSicilia@juddlegum Too bad there is no vaccine for pure, unadulterated idiocy.
Rod_Rescueman@juddlegum it’s a real shame we didn’t have thousands of researchers and scientists and medical professionals warning us 3 years ago that there would be a massive breakdown in immuno….. ohhhhhhHHH…
@Rod_Rescueman thousands of autistic people have been campaigning against antivax for 13-+ years on Twitter. Nobody Listens To Autistic People.
@joqatana true that, and some NTs go even further, trying to blame autism *on* vaccines.