Ed BottI would really like to quote-tweet this, adding my 2 cents and amplifying Taylor's words.
But I can't. And that's unfortunate.
Dave Kearns@edbott
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Andy Daitsman@adaitsman @dak3 It was ... half my point.
Anyone determined enough can figure out a way, but it should be easier than this.
deltatux@edbott @adaitsman @dak3
This is a debate that's been hotly debated on the dev level. There have been many proposals to implement this feature but Eugen has apparently argued that he didn't want to include it because it would spread toxicity & cyberbullying. This debate is still ongoing, maybe as more people demand it, it might come?
So far none of the forks have included this feature either.
Sadly for me, my instance runs on Akkoma (fork of Pleroma) which does support quote posting but since Mastodon doesn't support it, it won't render my post. Since most of my follows & followers use Mastodon, it effectively renders the feature useless since I can't use it...
This is a debate that's been hotly debated on the dev level. There have been many proposals to implement this feature but Eugen has apparently argued that he didn't want to include it because it would spread toxicity & cyberbullying. This debate is still ongoing, maybe as more people demand it, it might come?
So far none of the forks have included this feature either.
Sadly for me, my instance runs on Akkoma (fork of Pleroma) which does support quote posting but since Mastodon doesn't support it, it won't render my post. Since most of my follows & followers use Mastodon, it effectively renders the feature useless since I can't use it...
@deltatux @dak3 @adaitsman Yeah, I feel your pain. I understand the objections, but honestly, the abuse of quote tweets is more about the author than the format.
Hope we figure this out.
@edbott @dak3 @adaitsman
Personally I really think not adding this feature because of cyberbullying doesn't make much sense considering abusers can easily work around this problem by taking a screenshot to quote post. Worse part is, with the screenshot method, the target would have no idea you were talking shit behind their backs.
Also, they're taking away a useful feature because some bad apples could abuse it.
Honestly to me this is a moderation issue, not a technical one. Mastodon remains the only microblogging platform without this basic feature.
Personally I really think not adding this feature because of cyberbullying doesn't make much sense considering abusers can easily work around this problem by taking a screenshot to quote post. Worse part is, with the screenshot method, the target would have no idea you were talking shit behind their backs.
Also, they're taking away a useful feature because some bad apples could abuse it.
Honestly to me this is a moderation issue, not a technical one. Mastodon remains the only microblogging platform without this basic feature.
@deltatux @dak3 @adaitsman I could not have said that any better. This is a moderation issue, not a technical one.
naught101@edbott @deltatux @dak3 @adaitsman
This is exactly the same logic that the NRA uses to argue against gun control. Guns don't kill people, people do. Quote tweets don't cause abuse, bigots do.
It has an element of truth, but if your aim is to prevent gun deaths, it's irrelevant, because angry people exist, and if you restrict their access to guns, then the number of gun deaths go down.
Chris Maler@naught101
The same can be said for social media as a whole, it allows for cyberbullying. Should it be banned completely?
@edbott @deltatux @dak3 @adaitsman
The same can be said for social media as a whole, it allows for cyberbullying. Should it be banned completely?
@edbott @deltatux @dak3 @adaitsman
@Thegreenman @edbott @deltatux @dak3 @adaitsman
Good point. I think none of this is black and white.
I'm not completely opposed to QTs myself, but I would like them to be assessed based on reason, logic, and evidence before being implemented. So far most people calling for them aren't actually providing much evidence of a need that can't also be addressed just by linking.
Also I do think the jury is still out on the net benefit of social media as a whole!
@naught101
Agreed on that last point. I'm leaning towards it being mostly negative.
@edbott @deltatux @dak3 @adaitsman
Agreed on that last point. I'm leaning towards it being mostly negative.
@edbott @deltatux @dak3 @adaitsman
@Thegreenman I put a poll up yesterday to see why people use social media, triggered by this conversation. It's not spreading enough to get good results, but I was wondering if the results would be significantly different than twitter, because that would shift the equation all lot, I suspect.
@Thegreenman cheers!
I'd be interested on your thoughts on the distribution, now or when it finishes in a couple of days :)