People with kids and full time jobs, what does your schedule looks like?

We only have daycare twice a week, and my partner and I both work full time. Iโ€™ve been working from 6โ€“10 AM, spend the day with my son, and come back 4โ€“8 PM, but I wonder if thereโ€™s a better way?

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@rafa Early mornings and evenings are what weve always relied on, as well. No two weeks are the same. Lots of tagging each other in and out!

Protip: As the kids get older, they stay up later, so that becomes difficult. Teaching them to be self-sufficient at bedtime is something I wish we had started earlier!

@AshleyMarineP follow up question, define โ€œolderโ€ and what do you mean by self sufficient at bedtime? Putting themselves to sleep? ๐Ÿ˜…
@rafa Ours are 9 and 5, so an unorganised bedtime can last until 9pm now ๐Ÿ˜ฌ Getting into PJs, brushing teeth and hair, having a wee, etc. they can do by themselves now. We always just did those things together when they were young, but it's not sustainable now that they're up later if we're to have any productive time in the evenings! We go up to do a couple of stories, or a chapter in the older ones book, when they're ready.

@rafa Mine is pretty similar ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ (prior to newest baby)

The morning and evenings are my deep work time but sometimes Iโ€™ll shorten those and then do light work (emails and whatnot) during the day (naps or playtime)

But then my parents also come one day a week and then I like 20x productivity that day ๐Ÿ™‚

@joshdholtz yeah Iโ€™m trying to use the nap time for emails and other admin stuff

@rafa Seems like you are doing thing the best way then, IMO ๐Ÿ˜Š

The only other option is to just retire which Iโ€™m still trying to figure out how to do ๐Ÿ˜›

@joshdholtz haha, yeah let me know if you figure that one out!

@rafa Living in socialist utopia Scandinavia. We have daycare, kindergarten, school for all three. Neither my wife nor I have a regular jobby job.

There's no good way. Parental leave helps when they are the smallest. Your time is just severely limited now so make the best out of the hours that you have and try not to be bummed out too much in the hours where work is on your mind but the kid is in your hands.

That's what has helped me the most. To be ok with working less.

@rafa (I realise and cherish the privilege of just being able to choose to work less. I think about the families with 2 working parents and work schedules and how impossible it seems every single day.)
@mikker wise words here ๐Ÿ™

@rafa London based here. Our little one is starting state-funded nursery in January. Itโ€™s from 9 until 15:30 mon/fri and with extra money you can do 8:30 to 17:30 (which weโ€™re going to for certain days.)
Until now we were with Bright horizons (a us chain) where we did 3 morning and 1 full day + extra half day sessions as needed (they are very flexible)

The catch with state nursery is that is bound to term times so you got to cover for mid-terms week off and in-between term and summer weeeks

@fariska is nursery somehow affordable in London?

@rafa LOOOL. The long answer is FUCK NO.

From 0 to 3 years youโ€™re on your own and full-time nursery costs about ยฃ1800-2000 per month (so thatโ€™s why people do less)

From 3 you can get half or full time subsidised (30 hrs per week: the 9-15:30 thing) but extra time is on you

@rafa so essentially for the first 2 years you forced to sink a whole salary in childcare cost, likely the lesser earner (the mother). So much for equality, equity and gender parity

@rafa our schedule is similar if the tasks require deep work โ€” usually from 8โ€“11 AM.

I will spend the rest of the day with my sons so my wife can work too. Fortunately, she is also working full-time from home.

Then I continue again from 8โ€“12 PM where my timezone will overlap with my coworkers. This is when my wife will take over and accompany the kids.

@sayzlim can you find any spare time to spend with your wife? ๐Ÿ˜…

I was doing something similar to you before (working until 1 AM) but found it very lonely.

@rafa hahaha, we shop groceries nearby and cook lunch together, or go to nearby Starbucks drive thru taking the kids along.

I think no matter what we do, we always end up tired taking care of the kids. Just need to enjoy the process while the kids are still young.

@rafa I don't work full-time anymore it wasn't possible, but both kids go to the kindergarten and we didn't want them to be the first and last kids there... so not really helpful but I understand your struggle. :/
@rafa We do full-time daycare, it's insanely expensive but the routine and extra time is really useful. Usually drop off at 8:30, pick up around 5-5:30, so a solid 9 hours.

@rafa Our kids (4 & 1) both go to school/day care 5 days a week, I work from 6:30am-5pm with sporadic step-aways to do chores/care for the kids (like bring them to school).

Unfortunately with both parents working full time, it's very hard to do anything less than 5 days of daycare, imo. Wife was in a crunch last month and even with daycare she was working every night once the kids were asleep.

@rafa and yes, as others have noted: basically an entire income is sunk into daycare/after-school programs.

@rafa
We were able to find a college student to come in to our home and watch the kids.

This meant rearranging the schedule every semester based on her courses ... but it helped.

We then didn't do daycare, so used that $ to pay her.

And when the kids started school, she was normally able to do pick up.

@rafa Did daycare part time thinking it would save some money. It definitely didn't. It was only $100-200 more per month. Well worth it to have reliable childcare during working hours.

Your situation sounds ideal given your constraints. Maybe nanny share or round robin child care with friends or neighbors in similar situation?

@rafa

My son schedule in kindergarden now is 9:30 to 15;30. So I work only in that time. All meetings and focused work on Thursday.

But before kindergarden my schedule is same as yours. Early morning and late evening is our friends.

@rafa Our solution was not to work full-time. We currently both work 4-day weeks, and my daughter goes to daycare 3 days a week. She's with one of us for the other 2 weekdays. We get quality time with her, but a) you have to find a job that will let you do 32 hours (not too uncommon in the Netherlands, luckily), and b) be able to afford the pay cut.

Quality of life is also greatly improved by working from home and living very close (5 min walk) to daycare.

@rafa 9 months old and currently:
Middle of the night/early morning: trade off with wife
8am-4 paid childcare
4-5 trade off with wife
5-7 family time
7-11pm adult time
Weโ€™re lucky to be able to afford childcare Mon-Fri and that our daughters sleep schedule is so consistent. If anything change is the only constant thoughโ€ฆ
@rafa we have two kids that were in daycare FT (which at one point was more than our mortgage). Usual schedules are 8-4 PM and are in bed by 8 PM. As the kids get older, they are a bit more self-sufficient and don't need us around 100% of the time, which can help with doing other household tasks or doing them together with them. I am usually dead by 10pm.
@rafa the hardest part is when they are sick and then having to work & care for them. My wife and I will rotate shifts during the day, but when they are sick for over a week, it becomes a little unbearable ๐Ÿ˜ฉ

@rafa The past two years have been absolute chaos for us: FT daycare is simply not available (not enough people wanting to work in the field I suppose) but it'd be around $1.2k and we're not even living in the Bay Area anymore.

My wife ended up leaving her job and we're still struggling. It really is all improvised on a daily basis depending on mood of the kid, our energy levels, and possible sickness.

@rafa I was lucky as my wife didn't work and looked after the kids 24/7. So that was ideal. It was hard on one salary at first, we even had to sell our house and live with my parents for a while. But I worked my arse off and we managed to buy another house. Now my kids are 11, 13 and they practically look after themselves. I'm just a taxi driver for them these days. It's all worth it in the end.