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John TwelvetreesPlease boost if you want Labour, LibDems and Greens to cooperate at the next election in order to oust the Tories and introduce PR so that we never again have to endure a Tory Government with an eighty seat majority, secured with only 43% of the popular vote.
Lee Lavery@JohnTwelvetrees PR would be lovely wouldn't it? The funny thing is, we have used STV before to elect MPs (for a multi-member constituency) between 1918 & 1950, so there's no reason to say it wouldn't work
Geof Hughes ๐ค@JohnTwelvetrees Unfortunately I doubt Starmers Labour will take any notice of other parties if they win by a landslide. He's already shown his true colours in expelling anyone who disagrees with him, and the only policy that he hasn't turned around on is his unequivocal support for a terrorist apartheid state. #starmerout
Kramse - Scotlands Peoples 1stLabour won't landslide it, Starmer is going to screw it up trying to appeal to Tory voters & piss off Labour voters.
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Jay ๐ณ๐ฑ ๐ช๐บ (Free ๐ต๐ธ)@JohnTwelvetrees More Lib Dem and Green. Labour under Keir Starmer is looking more and more like Tory Lite
Toni Scott@JohnTwelvetrees
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Final Round Player ๐ท๐ช๐บ๐ธJob One. #GTTO
Job Two. PR
Vote for whoever is most likely to #GTTO but only vote for the Red Tories if they really are the most likely to #GTTO
Mainly, #NeverVoteTory
@JohnTwelvetrees
You do realise that the SNP have more than double the number of MP's than the LibDems & Greens combined with 40+ MP's.
You do realise that the SNP have more than double the number of MP's than the LibDems & Greens combined with 40+ MP's.
Dewi Ioan@JohnTwelvetrees ~25% of the electorate ... 20% of the population ...
NB Most SNP supporters will tell you that the Tories get no MP's or votes in Scotland
The Tories got 25% of votes in Scotland, as a percentage of those who voted , they got about the same in the UK as a percentage of those who could vote ...
Lilly Hunter@JohnTwelvetrees Now tell me why you skipped over the SNP, (left of centre) who are the third largest party at WM (44 seats), in favour of the LibDems (right of centre) (14 seats) and the Greens (1 seat)?
Andrew Morgan ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ท๓ ฌ๓ ณ๓ ฟ@JohnTwelvetrees Proportional Representation is definitely the way to go, large Government majorities are not good for anyone, most importantly the people, governance should be through concensus not rule.
David Rรผder@JohnTwelvetrees And as long as you accept that PR will put BNP, UKIP, and others in parliament. There can be no wringing of hands when this happens.
OurFlagUK #RejoinEU #FBPEThis is correct - under #PR, fringe parties may win a number of seats proportional to their support from the active electorate.
This is a good thing, not a bad thing. If we consider that wanting to rank & segregate humans is a kind of sickness, then a House of Commons elected via PR is a barometer revealing how sick the patient is.
Better to have a barometer than not, in order to be able to gather data, confront the issue and iteratively evolve solutions.
Absolutely agree. And giving a privileged pulpit to extreme political views may not be without risk where large chunks of the electorate may be considered credulous AF.
I'm sure there are other risks too, but better to have political views out in the open and represented fairly imo.
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Don't forget that the present 12 year run of Conservative governments began with the LibDems taking the Tory whip and putting David Cameron into No. 10. So no thanks.
Don't forget that the present 12 year run of Conservative governments began with the LibDems taking the Tory whip and putting David Cameron into No. 10. So no thanks.
Kim For Dagenham And Rainham@JohnTwelvetrees I'd love to see this happen, but as a Parliamentary candidate for the Greens, I have to continue to aim to beat the Labour candidate for as long as Starmer resists PR.
Justin@JohnTwelvetrees The #LabourParty will not co-operate with stand-down pacts. It's in their constitution to stand a candidate at every UK election (besides Northern Ireland, and the affiliated Co-op Party in GB).
So, any co-operation from them could only ever be in the form of pushing dead ducks to be candidates - and not funding a local campaign.
And, even then, some will still vote for a block of lard wearing a red rosette.
Labour are a liability. #VoteLibDems @liberaldemocrats
Foster@JohnTwelvetrees
Good work my Friend, we need to get the Tories out!
Good work my Friend, we need to get the Tories out!
ArdentArchivist@JohnTwelvetrees
Oh hell yes.
Oh hell yes.
John Chapman@JohnTwelvetrees Tories elected with 43.6% of the popular vote? Let's be realistic about that. There was a 66.79% turnout so in practice they were elected with the support of just 29.1% of the electorate. Let's be REALLY generous and assume at least half of those who didn't vote were happy with the then status quo government. In that case they would have another 16.6% of the vote share and represent 45.7% of the electorate.
Mick Garratt@JohnTwelvetrees on the other site, phrases begging me to โretweetโ are an instant turn off. โBoostโ on this site will do the same.
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logienick@JohnTwelvetrees
โ๏ธWhat he says! ...If you agree, please boost.
โ๏ธWhat he says! ...If you agree, please boost.
Xercies@JohnTwelvetrees problem is Labour feel First Past The Post serves them too much.
They kind of know that if there was PR they would probably be broken up as a party. Also they wouldnโt have their cushy โwe get to complain about the government for a living without doing anythingโ jobs, and they know they will still get votes because you got to vote anti-Tory.
David Cantrell ๐@JohnTwelvetrees if my party enters a pact with Labour or the Greens I'll cancel my membership immediately.
Ceri@JohnTwelvetrees I do agree but as the Greens and Lib Dems already have PR as long standing policy, and Starmer has categorically ruled it out despite it being supported by affiliated Unions and party members, it seems pointless talking about co-operating to bring it in. Unless Starmer is enthusiastically *and genuinely* committed (unlike his broken pledges to Labour) then thats that.
ex or current IDF unwelcome@JohnTwelvetrees you assume PR would happen. Starmer refuses to commit. He could secure a big majority due to tactical voting and then refuse to consider PR as he would probably lose seats at the next election
Meb@JohnTwelvetrees I experience PR in Switzerland ๐จ๐ญ and itโs a fantastic system. As a foreigner, I had to learn how it works, and while itโs more complex than first past the post or two round knockout, itโs so much more democratic. No more strategic voting. You vote for who and what you believe in, with the certainty that it will matter in the end.
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DROP\ TABLE Hacker of Earthsea@JohnTwelvetrees Americans think multiparty are a magical fix
Andy Smith@JohnTwelvetrees I don't believe that Labour would actively campaign on the issues that are important to me, like rejoining the EU or introducing PR. I live in a Labour safe seat and have already written to my MP saying that's what I want. Labour has completely lost its way.
Isabel@JohnTwelvetrees I would like Labour to respect the will of the majority of voters in Scotland. Starmerโs attitude towards Scotland is undemocratic.