Re: Mastodon / ActivityPub etc

Is there talk about changing the terminology from
•whitelist/blacklist to
•inclusion list/exclusion list or
•in list/out list?

This seems like one of those structural changes that could have meaning as we discuss things like this. We don't have to keep reinforcing to society that a white list is a good list and a black list is a bad list... or that we believe those ideas... or that we want to reinforce them. Each use reinforces.

[Solved] ppl use allow/deny!

@NurseTonyF I think this is worthwhile, whatever terminology we adopt. I’ve been using “approvelist” and “denylist” but really, yours work fine too. It appears like relatively small stuff, but terminology does have impact on attitudes—and even the openness to change alone matters.

I have been seeing slow change among many tech project in this direction, so I think that’s a positive sign.

@NurseTonyF I'm a tech writer (enterprise software - huge platform - many many writers) and at my company we excised those terms from the docs a couple of years ago for this very reason. We use allow list/deny list.
@Bishopjoey @NurseTonyF +1 allow-list/deny-list are taking over in tech spaces

@DavidSloane @Bishopjoey

I just found this on the instance I'm on:

"Moderated servers

Mastodon generally allows you to view content from and interact with users from any other server in the fediverse. These are the exceptions that have been made on this particular server."

@nathan is a great admin, and building a team of diverse mods

@NurseTonyF agree, furthermore I would like to see terms that care about/highlight the fact that even if content is on my "never show me"-list this doesn't attach an implicit label to the source.

I still feel a bit uneasy with inclusion /exclusion and in/out because it feels like the old schoolyard group building and exclusion of some. "You're not cool enough to be on our in-list" still stings.

If we're working on making our language more inclusive an exclude list is not the way for me.

@NurseTonyF So therefore I'd like to add, albeit not being so catchy:

Show always / Show never

@NurseTonyF since I am old, I remember the term kill file and even if I don't think we should revive usage of _that_ term I would really like to see that *plonk* makes an appearance again
@NurseTonyF Yes. We were doing this on my team at my old job (software development). Exclude, block, ignore - include, allow, select, watch - all are good, depending on the context.
@xris I just emailed the [person? team?] at https://mastodon.help/instances to ask them if they'd consider changing their terminology... they emailed back, thanked me for the suggestion, and reported that it had been done! They changed to the term "Noxious." It didn't take them long, either!
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