Antoinne Sterk
JasonMashakElder Scrolls
Compuguy ๐ฑ@jasonmashak Those scroll bars! ๐น
MrCopilot
Massimo Biolcati@jasonmashak peaked in 2006
meeper@massimobiolcati @jasonmashak 2001 is nice too
maddie (MOVED!) 
@massimobiolcati @jasonmashak personally i think the motif scrollbar is the best
moved to @@mjdxp @jasonmashak @massimobiolcati 3d type ui designs are the best
flat themes are just so lifeless
flat themes are just so lifeless
Hannes@massimobiolcati @jasonmashak couldn't agree more
jrg
Coach Pฤแนini ยฎ
Seb@paninid @jasonmashak I do find they tend to slip without them
Jeb@paninid @jasonmashak hah I never even considered how funny those really were :)
Ruben ๐บ๐ธ ๐ป๐ช ๐ง@jasonmashak I'm laughing way too hard at this.
mcl2k6@jasonmashak I wonder if ever we are going to get back beautiful and rich UI elements, and stop with this (no)contrast flat nonsense.
tbsp@mcl2k6 A program I've used for over a decade moved to a new version of Qt (I think?) and the visual difference between the active tab and other tabs is so subtle now and it's killing me slowly.
Francisco Martรญnez@franjesus @mcl2k6 Interesting. Perhaps tweaking it won't be so hard. Thanks!
@jasonmashak @mcl2k6 fashion is circular. Sooner or later every earlier style comes around again. Look at flares.
Birdy@jasonmashak @mcl2k6 I suppose the 1988 scroll bar is as flat as the 2012 version, and yet is so much nicer and easier to discern visually.
David Maciejewski@mcl2k6 @jasonmashak MacOS just scroll scrollbars while scrolling. So see nothing when I'm not scrolling is the way I preferred it. I don't care about style them.
R. L. Dane 
Ermahgerd, BRING THEM BACK, FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS GOOD AND PURE!
I'm so sick of aiming for thin little strips of depressing grayness.
Joel de Bruijn@RL_Dane @jasonmashak knowing if you just warp your mouse pointer to the outer right ... you miss the 2022 scrollbar by one pixel and it flashes briefly because without hoovering exactly there, it disappears again ... leaving you micro-adjusting the mouse and thinking about the elder scrolls when you could just throw your mouse and it worked.
I use a slightly garish MacOS X Leopard gtk theme JUST BECAUSE it has usable scrollbars.
Doesn't help much with Firefox, though.
And who's bloody genius idea was it to HIDE the bloody things when you're not using them? I'd like to know where I am in my document, thank you, arsehole gormless dandy zoomer UI designers.
trisscฬhen (old account)@RL_Dane @joeldebruijn @jasonmashak Iโm so often scrolling a tiny bit just to see roughly how far I am into a text/thread โฆ
@trisschen @joeldebruijn @jasonmashak
Yeah, same. It's so dumb that we've developed these habits to compensate for some idiot Apple designer's monomania.
I'm NOT usually this crabby, this topic just really gets under my skin.
I've used amazing GUIs for literally thirty years only to have to put up with idiotic shallow-aesthetics-enslaved design everywhere I turn *now* ๐
@RL_Dane @trisschen @jasonmashak
"Users hate complexity, so lets hide all controls only to appear when your mouse encounters them."
Fast forward helping a collegue to operate the interface:
- "just click the button with 3 dots to see more options"
- "there is no such button!"
- "No just hoover the entire right upper corner untill it appears!"
@joeldebruijn @trisschen @jasonmashak
#Descartes was right. An evil genius truly in charge of the universe, and is using it to torture us.
acffh morst@RL_Dane @joeldebruijn @jasonmashak
System Preferences > General > Show Scroll Bars > ALWAYS
@morst @joeldebruijn @jasonmashak
Actually, I'm on Linux, so it's more a matter of chasing down various settings for various GUI frameworks XD
dawnfire@joeldebruijn @RL_Dane @jasonmashak It definitely needs a clear outline. That's what makes it unambiguous where the mouse cursor is pointing. This recent fad of lack of outlines is annoying.
1998 is the best of these, but I'll take anything from 1988 to 2009.
Brofam, I'd take 1983* over 2023.
Maybe even 1973** ๐
*SIGH*. FIFTY YEARS of GUIs, and the past twelve years*** have been absolute shite.
*Apple Lisa
**Xerox Alto
***MacOS Lion, where things started to go wrong
ADHDel-DRAFT-v10-final (2).doc@jasonmashak @RL_Dane why do you aim do you not simply slide up down anywhere in the screen and on desktop two finger swipe/spin a scroll wheel?
Sometimes I'm not on a scroll wheel or a trackpad. Sometimes I'm on a trackpoint, which is very imprecise for scrolling.
Not a potshot against you, but this is what drives me nuts with devs recently: they only think about their own use case most of the time. So if they're in front of a macbook-like device with a yuuuge trackpad, they think that scrollbars are superfluous and tend to make them as minimal and out of the way as possible.
@jasonmashak @RL_Dane oooh. Iโve not seen a trackpoint for a good while. Yeah would make sense to have something you can grab onto then.
Yeah. Also just for precise scrolling in general. There are times you want to position something juuuuuust right. ๐
bertbrain@RL_Dane @jasonmashak Disappearing strips no less!
Mike Huntington@jasonmashak I hate that this made me laugh!! ๐ โฆ๐
bbennettesq 
@jasonmashak I see Windows ME in there and that's just cruel.
Apocalypsedust
Arne Brasseur@jasonmashak clearly we peaked in 1998
Allan Svelmรธe Hansen@jasonmashak Still fewer elder scrolls than Bethesda versions of Skyrim :D
Jungle George ๐ด@jasonmashak 2001 Winxp style was peak scroll ๐
ijk64โ
@junglegeorge24 @jasonmashak I feel a poll is imminent โฆ
Betoniusz@jasonmashak oh, the good old times, when every site styled the scroll bar using css
Dan@betoniusz @jasonmashak don't forget the floaty ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฆ that followed the mouse cursor! [/shudder]
Rob Sison@jasonmashak I felt unexpectedly deep nostalgia looking at these
Chris Simmons@jasonmashak Would the dreaded "nested scrollbar" anti-pattern be Elder Scrolls: Oblivion?
ideaPDishScrollin' scrollin' scrollin'
I hear those kitties scrolling. ..
Raw sides..
Dylan@jasonmashak I see whatโcha did there. ๐๐๐
Rockj@jasonmashak prefer the 98 best, 2009 a good second.
Pierre Thomasius
christian frock โ@jasonmashak I was there... From the very beginning...
Martin Vogel@jasonmashak
@LarsFosdal I miss useable scroll bars so much. The current fashion of making control elements almost invisible, especially when monitor resolutions and screen sizes are multiples of what they were in former decades, is to be reversed.
@LarsFosdal I miss useable scroll bars so much. The current fashion of making control elements almost invisible, especially when monitor resolutions and screen sizes are multiples of what they were in former decades, is to be reversed.
Lars Fosdal@mardor @jasonmashak I dislike certain elements of the so called flat design as it causes so many usability issues - particularly on informing the user of what is an action "button" and what is just text.
I don't want a return to full Skeuomorphism, but function discovery and clarity needs to be improved.
jmoen@jasonmashak you are rightly missing the 2012, and onwards scroll, as nobody can bloody find it anymore
Juri@jasonmashak omg I remember most of them
Elias Mรฅrtenson@jasonmashak Just look at those usable scrollbars. What's the deal with the useless ones we have today?
Amin Negm-Awad๐ช๐บ๐@jasonmashak 1988 and 2006 win by far.
Avi Rappoport (avirr)@jasonmashak made us laugh, and miss decent affordances
Thomas Lobig@jasonmashak on that note you will never guess what I bought yesterday for the nth time...