If I had maybe five dollars every time someone suggested "build your own instance" as a solution to any problem encountered on the fediverse, I might not need student loan forgiveness.

That aside, before you're tempted to respond to a critique of the fediverse with "build your own instance," consider that the suggestion is a polite way of saying "go the fuck away?"

I have written some what at length about why "build your own instance" is not an ideal solution for many communities; however, I would like to put all of that aside to make clear a point I thought was too simple to be mentioned.

The entire point of the critique is because we wish to exist in the same space as others as our full selves, and not some sanitized version limited by norms of conduct.

"Build your own instance," in essence, is a refusal to consider the possibility that we'd like to be our whole selves in community with others, rather than having to build our own walled gardens. On this view, it becomes a doubling down on the unacceptability for certain people to be authentically themselves within a digital social space.

To be clear, whether mastodonians intend to reinforce this perspective is immaterial: the suggestion has the practical and affective force of telling those of us who level critiques that the fediverse will not shift its norms to enable a plurality of ways of being.

As a result, we might as well pack it in because our full selves are not welcome in community with others.

I have resisted making plain this meaning because, to me, it seemed too harsh. I wanted to give mastodonians the benefit of the doubt. However, as a great thinker once said "when someone shows you who they are, believe them." And one of the things that "build your own instance" shows me is the degree to which mastodonians are willing to tolerate some people in their social spaces.

Now, I know that many folks On Here will ask for a solution to this issue and I actually have one. Like many solutions in my area of expertise, it is not a technical solution but it may be just as hard.

Ask yourself why "build your own instance" is your first response to someone who points out that they find it to be their full selves in a given space. Ask yourself why your suggestion is for them to leave? As yourself what that accomplishes.

Then get back to me.

@shengokai Yes, this. There is nothing wrong with building an instance that focuses on a specific theme, but that's vastly different than being told "you don't belong here" or "you must gather there."

The former is building a community of interest. The latter is segregation.

There's enough segregation in physical spaces. And fixing them seems a lot harder than being welcoming and fully inclusive in virtual ones.

Seeing that resistance on a platform that by design brings people together is disheartening and says uncomfortable things about the nature of power dynamics and of human failings.

@shengokai

Welcome to the real world, where no one is required to listen to you, no one is required to take you seriously, and no one is required to have you as a guest on their server.

Of course you can "build your own instance." That will not affect the first two points.

I didn't build my own instance to escape the realities of coexisting in a society. I built it because mastodon.social was getting hammered into jelly by too many users.

Everyone is free to mute or block me.

@steve Done.

@chemoelectric @steve *complains about being told that telling BIPOC people to silo themselves isn't OK*
*invites to block*

The course _is_ clear.

@shengokai @steve Are you seriously grabbing the soapbox from *this* message, just so you can belligerently declare that Black people’s only problem in life and society is failing to accept “the realities of coexisting in a society”, unlike yourself?

*faces the crowd and points at the man on the stolen soap box*

This here is the what “nice” racism looks like. Learn from his mistake. Don’t let it be you.

@robinshipton @shengokai

I didn't belligerently anything. Nor did I say anything about "Black people’s only problem in life and society." Or anything about race, for that matter.

Go back and read what I actually wrote.

@shengokai @steve You were a journalist—do I understand that right?
@steve @robinshipton @shengokai You *were* kind of a jerk about it though.

Wow, this guy is canvassing for Warnock. Tragic, to support Black people with one hand and act like this with the other.

This is a good object lesson in the complexity of our ingrained racism, our submarine racism.

We can be anti-racist with our heads, while still letting our feelings lead us into lecturing a Black man on how to properly deal with racism online. And then think we’re the heroic figure.

I’m taking notes. We’re none of us immune.

@steve have you actually read anything they've ever said or are you just jumping in to hear yourself talk
@creatrixtiara I responded to what was written in the thread. I did not respond to what was not written, or was written elsewhere or at some other time. Did you actually read what I wrote? Do you have a specific disagreement?
@steve you were very much infantilising with the "welcome to the real world" comment. It's very clear you didn't bother to read past the first few lines.

@steve @creatrixtiara A specific point of disagreement here:

Your post betrays a belief that you're entitled to be an ass and lecture the doctor.

No sir you are not.

You don't even have the qualifications to speak up on his points, let alone speak down to him as you did.

@shengokai I was excited initially to learn about the Mastodon being created by marginalized (queer) folk. Now watching history repeat itself-same racism as 2nd wave feminism, gay, then lesbian (sepratist) spaces. Disappointing but not surprising I guess. I'm just an ignorant Jew/dyke who knows my life and worldview are enriched and my understanding deepened by attending to the voices of BIPOC. I have been scouring this place for some of my old follows. I hope this ish doesn't keep them away.

@shengokai
From the perspective of a Vietnamese American, born in the US... "Build your own instance" sounds a lot like "Go back to where you came from!" This thinking isn't just confined to virtual spaces like the Fediverse, but is pervasive throughout our society. What we need to fix our way of thinking. That isn't easy, but is worth doing anyway.

Thank you for your insight.

@shengokai @thekat03 Spot on.

And it’s not even advice that works. Building a new instance is quickly followed by the whole instance being targeted by the same racist harassment.

It’s shallow “oh have you thought of this obvious thing?” whitesplaining how to solve racism.

It’s “go live in your own towns” followed by “burn their town!” It’s advice to build a digital Greenwood.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwood_District,_Tulsa

Greenwood District, Tulsa - Wikipedia

@thekat03 @shengokai Pardon me for intruding but i really disagree with that analogy.Instances r communities built around similar interests, I can genuinely see reasons behind why someone would say find a different instance or build your own instance.If the majority of the community in that instance learn towards something you disagree with, or have interests that you don't believe in, then you most definitely should find a different community where you can feel included
@jovantyk @shengokai
There absolutely are good reasons for some people to choose to create their own instance. Choosing to do so, and being pressured to do so, are very different. When people say, "Go back to where you came from," they never mean Ohio. "Go make your own instance" has the same vibe. Now, a "There's advantages to making your own instance" is more polite, but repeatedly being told that, and given no other chance to become a part of the community, is still just a polite "Go away."
@thekat03 @shengokai I wish people stopped trying to equate mastodon to real life analogies, it's not the same thing. When people say you should build your instance it's not the same as irl people telling you to go back to where you came from. Mastodon is built around the idea of instances for everyone. So when someone suggests to find a different instance, they're doing it because they care about your interests
@jovantyk @shengokai
I understand that people mean well when advising people to go to another instance or make their own instance. How a message is intended is not necessarily the same as how it's received. Please listen to our black peers to better understand this difference.
@thekat03 @shengokai Wha- What does this have anything to do with race?
@jovantyk Please, if you do not understand why many black people have been having much worse experiences when they come to mastodon than white people, listen to what people like @shengokai are saying.
@shengokai it seems to me that there is value in having both shared/universal spaces that can accommodate a full range of ways of being, *and* safe spaces with limited/self-selected access. Twitter was not a single culture either, and there were essentially distinguishable spaces there, carved out by users. But there the “mixing” between those spaces was controlled by the owners, not the users and conflict seemed to be intentionally spread to boost “engagement”. Can we do it differently?
@shengokai Full ack!! Thank you very much!!

@shengokai I think you meant to say "who finds it difficult/challenging/frustrating to be their whole selves" .

I also think the person is hearing it the wrong way.

I am no coder. But I believe, just looking at the documentation in Youtube, that I am capable of building my own server. That is very empowering to me. That I could, if I were willing to dedicate the resources, build a space where I might openly invite only Black Women and openly discourage others from entering, is a

@shengokai this is the first thing people don't really understand about Fediverse: the Fediverse is THE community (the social place) but an Instance is much more like an hotel. You can't blame a manager to kick you out of a 4* if you like loud music karaoke at 3AM. Maybe you could feel better in a Youth Hostel. And maybe I like 4* hotel because I'm not interested to be forced to interact with people who likes karaoke so often. This doesn't mean that I cannot be myself.
@shengokai @takkuz the problem with this analogy is that social media exists to facilitate social *interactions*. a hotel facilitates sleeping, which is about as far from interaction as it's possible to get without being dead.
@crumbleneedy @shengokai (not so but) fair point. If you prefer you can imagine an instance as a Conference Hall. If I'm there to politely talk about philosophy you cannot break in, jumping on the table, screaming like you're at a Rock concert without expecting to be moved away. Like I'm not expecting to have a passionate talk about D&D on the parterre during a Rock concert. This does not mean that you cannot be part of our conversation and that I cannot enjoy a great concert.
@takkuz @shengokai You can literally blame the manager of a hotel if they have either an explicit or implicit "whites only" policy. Many in the US had explicit ones until it was outlawed. And there is a long history of many tricks to create a de facto "whites only" policy through rules that are ostensibly about something else.
@emergentnexus @shengokai so, you're trying to tell me you think that the "Silence Coach" on a train is equal as "Black people in the rear"? Or maybe you could understand by yourself that people can't choose the color of their skin but they can choose if screaming or whisper without crying of being discriminated for their behaviour.