Peter KalmusNov 20, 2022
COP27 was another failure. As expected.
Show threadPeter Kalmus
The reasons I expected it to be a failure:
1. They once again let in the fossil fuel industry in a massive way.
2. COP26 was not widely recognized as the failure it was.
3. There were no significant changes from COP26. Maybe due to #2. Lessons were not learned. (See #1).
Nov 20, 2022 at 9:10pmWeb
Show threadPeter KalmusNov 20, 2022
Once there is a firewall in place excluding the fossil fuel industry and corporate sponsorship, and once there is some mechanism for ignoring fossil fuel industry states (Saudi Arabia) then we can expect success. And we SHOULD be expecting MUCH more from the COP process.
Show threadPeter KalmusNov 20, 2022
Fossil-fueled global heating is a global problem, and will require global cooperation. (Although the US could unilaterally take a huge chunk out of the problem if it wanted to. The fact that it apparently doesn't want to is cosmically tragic.)
Show threadPeter KalmusNov 20, 2022
The reason it was a failure: the cause of global heating is burning fossil fuels and COP27 does nothing to phase out the fossil fuel industry. Maybe because it was dominated by the fossil fuel industry. COP27 did not address the root cause in any meaningful way. It's that simple.
Show threadRusty IdolsNov 20, 2022

@ClimateHuman
The real problem is the message putting the responsibility on everyone to recycle and get a Prius while obscuring the reality that 100 companies owned by far less than 1% of the population are responsible for 70% of the world's emissions.

The number one threat to life on this planet right now is the political power these companies and individuals wealth gives them to hold off any serious action on climate change.

Show threadmhamiltonjNov 20, 2022
@rustyidols @ClimateHuman This! The focus on individual responsibility has been one of the most pervasive failures of so many environmental movements. We're screwed unless politicians think their jobs depend on holding major emmiters to account and implementing systematic changes. Many people have come to associate climate activism with angry shouty people making them feel guilty, and that seems like a terrible way to win votes.
Show threadSaint Baal-MAŠNov 21, 2022
@rustyidols @ClimateHuman Yes. The neoliberal lie of "individual responsibility" has these problems exactly inverted in order prevent dissent.
Show threadJed ☭Nov 20, 2022
@ClimateHuman oil gets its way
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Show threadAriel LiebmanNov 20, 2022
@ClimateHuman yep. I wonder how much the UN's diversified approach to sustainability has diluted the message since the whole #SDG stuff started.
Show threadPeter BrownNov 20, 2022
@ClimateHuman
Geological fuel sources are very energy dense and supply cheap energy. Also add fertiliser and plastics to the mix. Weaning a species off cheap energy and useful by product will be hard and costly and that is the argument that energy companies pull out frequently. So need a concerted effort to tax high energy producing and using industry to fund change. Tax the dividend receivers at a higher rate as well. The voting population can change policy direction
Show threadanlomedadNov 21, 2022

@ClimateHuman
I disagree wrt the reason of the failure. The 2 week event itself wasn't when the text was drafted that basically set the tone for the event.
That draft process happens in pre-COP-meetings months before, and the host state does have copyright, so to say.
That's why the COP in Copenhagen ended so disastrous. Because the Danes, in concert with all the other decadent-fascist Global Northers, had drafted a text beforehand that left G77 out to dry.

So whatever the evil fossil lobbyists were doing in Egypt – they did not change what had already been decided as hard frame for the text.

Show threadDana R FisherNov 21, 2022
@ClimateHuman FWIW this has been a major impediment to all rounds of #climate negotiations since the beginning.
Show threadPeter Gray (per/per) 🚲🏞🎷🏠🌿Nov 22, 2022
@ClimateHuman Suggestions? That's not meant in a dismissive way, but in a real spirit of enquiry. #ClimateCrisis
Show threadBerkNov 21, 2022
@ClimateHuman Presumably the fossil fuel non-proliferation treaty could succeed provided enough nations sign on - does anybody know what proportion are needed for success (presumably measured by consumption of fossil fuels per annum)?
Show threadExtra SuperNov 21, 2022
@ClimateHuman firewall. Literally.
Show threadJackie WolfDec 16, 2022
@ClimateHuman I think you need to include the #UnitedStates on the list of petrol states, cause we are.
Show threadMe@ThisAddressNov 20, 2022
@ClimateHuman well. They can’t get there without fossil fuels. And if they can’t get there they can’t schmooze and eat, drink and be Merry. So. You know..… The big problem is the rest of us can do Teams meetings with colleagues and ZOOM with our drs or FaceTime with family but that’s not good enough for the elite. 🙁😡
Show threadTony WeddleNov 20, 2022
@ClimateHuman After 20 odd years of failed COPs, I expected all to be failures and I haven't been wrong, even if it is disappointing. No "historic" agreements at these things has made any difference to the trajectory. The economy trumps all.