Are grad students on here? Seems like it leans toward senior and mid career folks.

Q directed to grad students / postdocs who are checking this out:

What practices/behaviors would make this space useful for you?

How can senior folks best promote your work or interact w you here?

Bc if just about reach, Twitter will be the logical first choice as the platform actively promotes work / followers beyond your local network, and Mastodon does not by design.
@mikelove Agree 💯 I also have the feeling that most folks here are either established scientists or PIs. I’m enjoying reading and celebrating published works but I’d also love to connect with peers in my field. Perhaps this issue will resolve itself when more grad students join in.

@mikelove Grad student here.

I think on Twitter, I never felt like I could interact with big names. I just watched them talk to each other and didn't feel like I could jump in with a question or comment.

@emiller would be great if people feel more comfortable in this space to reach out regardless of career stage. let's make that happen!
@emiller @mikelove I think it is because I basically have no shame be that in Twitter, conferences, or here, but indeed because of the more niche members, it felt like I got recognised a lot faster here than in Twitter.

@mikelove 👋

I agree with @emiller - Twitter feels more public (especially to senior academics with thousands of followers), and (from my experience), they feel reluctant to engage with trainees/grad students.

So far, my experience here has been the opposite, though - and I like that. For me, it's never been about promoting work (I have nothing to promote anyway), but I'm hoping to get insight + pointers from senior academics (which I was hoping I'd find at Twitter, and that was disappointing).

@mikelove @baris @emiller

Agreed, I don’t have much to promote either (in preparation) but enjoy engaging with academics, new ideas, and science.

@mikelove I always felt like the presence on twitter of certain high profile personas (across ALL career stages) made the place toxic -- I felt like I had to be very careful with my words lest they be intentionally taken out of context. I imagine its much worse for more junior people than me! I feel like if the toxic elements are removed, then everyone, both students and faculty, will feel more open to chat among themselves.
@Pashadag i'd love it if this were seen as a low risk place to talk shop, so we can hear from more voices
@mikelove I'd love this as well. Let's see. I worry that without moderation and with open doors it may not work in the long term, but I'm also somewhat hopeful
@mikelove @Pashadag I think you’ve nailed it. I always felt a bit apprehensive engaging on Twitter for that very reason.
@mikelove I like this place because the tone is more relaxed and - partly because so many are still missing - the „big names“ don’t feel so far away that they would never read your reply anyway so I would probably not engage with them. What I miss here is people sharing preprints and discussing them, as I got a lot of ongoing / recent work in my birdsite feed and I feel here I would miss out on some relevant new things - but maybe that is yet to come?
@janlause yeah i've seen some folks start their threads here and somehow cross post. but still the vast majority will still do their preprint threads there. I find drafting long threads easier on Twitter TBH, plus more exposure. But maybe Mastodon can become the place for things like Reddit AMA about papers
@mikelove One minus of twitter (and potential plus of mastodon) is it's very public and very permanent. So it's good for self-promotion, and less good for the kind of lower-level kibbitzing that happens easily in slack channels. With the right moderation, mastodon could fit in between?
@samuelmarkson great point. maybe it's more like conversation at a conference, semi-public but not searchable, not quote-tweetable

@mikelove @samuelmarkson I really like the conference analogy!

But *something* needs to fulfill the role that #twitter has of being a place where #preprints circulate. I’ve been wondering if disciplinary associations can facilitate more semi-curated spaces for this somehow.

https://fediscience.org/web/@wrigleyfield/109332867022492519

Elizabeth Wrigley-Field (@[email protected])

One of the functions that #academics use twitter for is finding new research. It is, of course, hugely imperfect at this, and I think its dominance in this sphere represents an institutional failure to solve the problems of #research deluge. Seems like a good time for new curational models... Too bad for sociologists that our professional association dealt many of our widely-read newsletters a mortal blow just before #Twitter blew up. (I'm supposed to hashtag, right? #sociology #demography )

FediScience.org
@samuelmarkson @wrigleyfield exactly. Will take more work though, but people already do this kind of volunteer work for scientific societies,
open source projects, etc.
@mikelove @samuelmarkson @wrigleyfield a quick fix is to use a particular hashtag when posting a paper, and then you can pin that hashtag to keep an eye on it. I'm sure there are other ways to make that kind of thing work for people

@mikelove Post about papers, blogs and repos you are reading. What made Science Twitter useful for me as a grad student (and now as a postdoc) was that it puts research in front of me from outside of my own citation graph, and provides some context for why someone would care about it.

Treat this space as an always-open journal club.

@mikelove I'll boost and interact with posts based on content, not on seniority. I think many others do the same.

I'll especially boost #introduction and interesting #question #toots by #gradstudents to promote them. Keep them coming!

@mikelove I’m here (not STEM, but grad student).

Number one need from senior academics: you have to reblog us. ESPECIALLY when we’re critiquing the system. There’s no algorithm for likes. Our ability to disrupt hierarchy and make connection on the bird site was partially due to its leveling/visibility effects. That is harder to establish here.

@mikelove I think a lot of grad needs would have been better served by staying on Twitter and most are here reluctantly, but even if the site doesn’t crash enough senior academics felt able to/pushed to transition away to “quieter” spaces, so we’ve lost our voice there somewhat anyway.
@mikelove to that end, I think cultivating a field/focus specific hashtag and using it religiously is a helpful leveler, because senior researchers will get more buy-in, and then grads have a more accessible way to be heard and to find their research community without the benefit of years of networking.

@mikelove Postdoc here. In general I suspect I will use this platform pretty much the same way I found Twitter useful: as a venue to hunt people down, compliment them when I see their work and like it, and try to strike up conversations.

The thing that I find most frustrating about Mastodon is that finding people is relatively difficult. I would love to see more people tagging one another into conversations and widening our networks by, well, introducing us to one another.

@mikelove search works best with hashtags here. You'll find more people if you use and follow hashtags.
@mikelove You can find graduate students to follow by using hashtags such as #phdlife #PhdStudents
@mikelove oh, one more thought! Field hashtags will help some, but the lack of Twitter’s public list functionality is a big blow for junior scholars, both for entry into the community and discovery by others. Senior academics could add their voices to requesting a public lists function: https://fosstodon.org/@healsdata/109323207038837508
Jon Campbell 🥨 (@[email protected])

@[email protected] You can make lists for yourself to be able to view toots from certain groups of people, but it's currently not possible to share them publicly. There's an open feature request for this but its been open since 2018. https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/8208

Fosstodon
@mikelove and @JubalBarca told me about a seems-cool-but-I-don’t-fully-understand-it-yet add-on that may be useful for this as well https://scholar.social/@JubalBarca/109324470972608978
James Baillie (@[email protected])

@[email protected] Hm, I've never really tried that on here, I think there are some web interface options. There's also this service for creating "boost to the group based on mention" bots which might be of interest for organising groups: https://a.gup.pe/

Scholar Social

@mikelove I'm a MSc student, and I'd love to connect with other students!

Another thing I would appreciate, is people talking about research... But I don't mean the "sciency" part of it, I mean the "how to survive in academia" part. I know PhD students may struggle a lot with depression and me being a MSc student who still needs to decide whether I'd like to do research or not in the future, I'd like to know why are they struggling so much. What are the issues? What are the problems that often professor don't talk us about? What is it really like to be a researcher?

I'd love to read stories and open discussions about it

@mikelove I’m working as a researcher and hoping to start my PhD next year, I’ve met some interesting people using the #phdchat tag and I’m in contact with some senior academics in my field (who have all been very nice to me) by using subject and methodology specific hashtags. I’ve even joined a PGR WhatsApp group with students at my university through someone I met on here

@mikelove I’m a graduate (MA) student currently applying for doctoral programs.

Not sure what makes the space useful yet, just weighing in!

@mikelove Send job announcements clearly labeled with appropriate hashtags. Better job posts would help a lot.
@mikelove I am a student and working in biotech at a same time. Not a grad student (yet), bc someone has to pay the bills. But, yeah, few years of research so I am not the senior by any means. So, hello! I am here! Grad students will need more boosting, they are here, too!
@mikelove I hope grad students join and engage

@mikelove

love this post and look forward to hearing what students say.

not in academia but have/do mentor junior folks from different fields.

I've started followinga few grad students but definitely no where near i did on birdie because haven't done the task of looking for them here

@mikelove one of the biggest things on academic twitter for me in later years was the emphasis of likes over retweets. Imho a lot of the new twitter timeline ranking was driven by likes, which meant if enough of my grad school friends liked my new paper, then that would start putting it on the TL of bigger and bigger names until it got enough traction to end up as a recommended tweet
@mikelove As far as I can tell, to get that same amplification effect here we’ll need to change our default behavior for engagement from likes to retweets, but it’ll be hard since I don’t think folks will want to clog their home timeline with a bunch of retweets. Maybe replying in thread would work to boost in a similar way on timelines, but that usage has negative connotations on Twitter (ratio’ing) It’s in part due to the double-edged sword of having no TL curation algorithm…

@gillespl these are very good points.

i think we could achieve new and useful ways of interacting with willingness to change behavior and re-think the code. but it's something that will take years, not months or weeks

@gillespl @mikelove I wonder if you might be overestimating how many people used the algorithmic timeline. Chronological didn't show likes, and anyhow it was easy to turn them off. I've never used likes as a means of increasing visibility for others; for me mastodon works exactly the same way twitter did.
@mikelove I only read twitter on tweetdeck mode, and in that way I can read only priority lists, and drag and drop interesting tweets to collections. Is there something like that here?
@Limenian I haven't explored bookmarks/lists yet. It may not have the customization that Twitter offered, not sure. But it's OSS! maybe these desired features will come along?

@mikelove I'm a postdoc (cancer genomics).

Personally, the thing I want most from this app isn't necessarily a venue to promote myself, or to be exposed to other early career researchers' work specifically.

I want to keep up what is important and driving conversation in my field. Maybe that means elevating early career researchers' works, but to me that is secondary to just knowing what more tapped-in people than me are talking about.

@mikelove It's difficult as an early career researcher to know which of the constant stream of papers and conversations are worth paying attention to.

So far, the intimate and civil atmosphere on here looks like it could be conducive to this and even make it less intimidating for us to participate! People boosting what they consider important instead of an algorithm attempting this automatically could help too!

Thanks for asking the question and thinking about early career folks!

@mikelove As I move towards career independence, developing a stronger network with my peers and colleagues within human genetics, genomics, bioinformatics, etc. and gaining visibility is a key goal for my social media presence.

I’ve also learned a lot about hidden processes and skills in academia and elsewhere from people across all career stages.

Finally, as someone with commitments to and experience in equity/inclusion work, the reach and engagement online is helpful for pushing change.

@mikelove there's a lot to be said for just following and boosting early career researchers liberally. I'm using hashtags like #PhDChat #PhDLife to hopefully make myself more discoverable!