Lack of Belief

An argument from divine hiddenness for #atheism

• If #God exists, God wants to have a loving relationship which each of us created beings.

• If God is omnipotent, God has the ability to tell each of us exactly the thing we would need to know so that we, of our own free will, would choose to enter into a loving relationship with God.

• Some people do not have a loving relationship with God, and many do not even have enough information to believe that God exists.

• Thus God, as defined above, does not exist.

#CounterApologetic

Nov 13, 2022 at 3:35pmWeb
Show threadStatsJewNov 13, 2022
@lack I am not a strong theist. But this is a terrible argument. Why should we assume that G-d wants to have a personal relationship with everyone? Even a loving G-d might recognize that theistic religion isn't the best thing for everyone.
Show threadLack of BeliefNov 13, 2022
@StatsJew Some people think that God loves everyone and created us so that we could experience that love. If you don't think that's true about the God you believe in, this argument isn't for you :)
Show threadchrissx.smd 🐘Nov 13, 2022
@StatsJew @lack I belife in the god of the #bible. And what you can see there, is that #god definitely wants a relationship with everyone. Probably every person has in his life this some situations, where he is thinking about some higher Power… is this hint not enough? 😊
Also looking into the nature, the beginning of our life and desire to fill our „inside needs“? 🙈
Show threadLack of BeliefNov 13, 2022

@chrissx @StatsJew

For some people, no. A hint is not enough. But God would know that, presumably!

Likewise, looking at nature, the beginning of life and desire to fill our "inside needs" just leaves me with questions, not answers! And that's okay! Not knowing is the gateway to discovery.

Show threadStatsJewNov 13, 2022
@chrissx @lack OK, a relationship. But that doesn't require that it looks like a particular kind of worship of G-d. The relationship could be with the divine spark in other humans, or in tending to the divine in nature. It does not have to include beliefs in a god.
Show threadbra1ncrampNov 15, 2022
@lack
I'd modify your argument to say the #ChristianGod instead of merely #God. This is because most deities don't necessarily chain a desire for a personal relationship. While the #ChristianGod does.
Show threadLack of BeliefNov 15, 2022
@bra1ncramp I don't know if it's exclusively the God of Christianity that desires relationship; that may be a thread in other religions too. But you're correct that this argument is only relevant against a God that has those properties: desires relationship, all knowing, all powerful.
Show threadbra1ncrampNov 15, 2022
@lack that's fair. There be other deities who make such claims.
Show threadLack of BeliefNov 15, 2022

@bra1ncramp probably!

Some people think there are exactly as many conceptions of deities as there are people who conceive of them...