vagabond"all code is ideology solidified into action" most codeing pushes right wing agenda, this can often seen in the site T&S and in the content that makes it to the front pages. Am curious how hard coded this is, and how much is soft social use.
Bob Mottram :debian:@Hamishcampbell Joseph Weisenbaum also thought that the computing industry was inherently conservative. Computing at scale is capital intensive. People with a lot of money to invest in software R&D tend to be the ruling class. The types of people who get computer science degrees in ivy league universities tend not to be radicals and tend to be from very rich families.
bhaugen@Hamishcampbell
While I agree with your quote, we have very different ideas about both what ideology is and how it works, as well as what are right and left wing agendas.
Ideology is "your social being determines your consciousness".
The left wing agenda to me is "get rid of capitalism".
@bob
I agree with you and Weisenbaum, too.
Altho I do run into enough people in computing projects who are anti-capitalist and want to do something about it that something might happen...
@bhaugen @bob I short circuit the pointless of much thinking by defining the terms #KISS with a tech focus.
Left is open/trust
Right is control/fear
Its pointless to build on compexerty as we live in a "post truth" world powered by #techchurn motivated by #fashernist
With out this #KISS short we go nowhere, kinda like the last few years. Let's build "social truth" or worship the #deathcult the second is "common sense" the first needs a shoval #OMN
I was disagreeing with your explicitly stated definitions of Left and Right and also by inference from those, what you think ideology is and how it works, since you often mention ideology in those terms, and did so in the toot I replied to.
I am sure that your thinking is wider than those short definitions.
What do you think I am disagreeing with that you are not saying?
I short circuit the pointless of much thinking by defining the terms #KISS with a tech focus.
Left is open/trust
Right is control/fear
Its pointless to build on compexerty.
Yep, you would be right, complexity is here, for example much of the history of #mainstreaming 20th century left is rightwing as it's based on fear/control, think Stalin or the British Labour party.
Early web #mainstreaming it's clearly built on open/trust etc.
@bhaugen @bob are we building a bridge or tearing down a bridge here. In the "post truth" world building foundations is a revolutionary act #4opens #OGB #OMN #indymediaback #PGA
Tell me about the bridge you are building, were it comes from, were it goes, what are the foundation stones that support it.
Ps. A bridge with our people is just a pile of rocks.
@Hamishcampbell @bhaugen @bob On your characterization of left and right wing politics, I don't agree because it's more complicated.
In Noble Ape the cognitive system is modelled as an emergent dialectic between fear and desire, so your idea is similar to that.
I am relatively open to new ideas about how to use social networks. Epicyon is supposed to be a minimal ActivityPub implementation with some lightweight organizing features added, like shared items and calendar. A habitable zone in the chaos of the internet. I also have a sense of the things which failed in the past, so am trying to avoid the pitfalls which lead to people becoming demobilised.
If there is hope, it lies with the proles. In particular, devising better ways to build small scale viable economies could be a way forward. Sharing without the use of money. Hospitality systems. We also need to avoid systems which generate concentrated political power and "rockstars". In the hacker world, such people have done a lot of damage in the past. I also think we should stick to person-to-person methods of establishing trust, and avoid scoring systems or cryptographic contracts which can easily be gamed and weaponized by adversaries.
In Noble Ape the cognitive system is modelled as an emergent dialectic between fear and desire, so your idea is similar to that.
I am relatively open to new ideas about how to use social networks. Epicyon is supposed to be a minimal ActivityPub implementation with some lightweight organizing features added, like shared items and calendar. A habitable zone in the chaos of the internet. I also have a sense of the things which failed in the past, so am trying to avoid the pitfalls which lead to people becoming demobilised.
If there is hope, it lies with the proles. In particular, devising better ways to build small scale viable economies could be a way forward. Sharing without the use of money. Hospitality systems. We also need to avoid systems which generate concentrated political power and "rockstars". In the hacker world, such people have done a lot of damage in the past. I also think we should stick to person-to-person methods of establishing trust, and avoid scoring systems or cryptographic contracts which can easily be gamed and weaponized by adversaries.