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muesliCan someone please start making smartphones with integrated hardware keyboards again? Pretty please?
Zergling_man@fribbledom Or at least grow half a fucking braincell for software keyboards. Newsflash, programmers: Touchscreens aren't qwerty!
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Riedler@Zergling_man @fribbledom I honestly don't know what you mean… mine is quertz & gboard has always been satisfactory for me.
@Riedler @fribbledom https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.access_company.graffiti_pro - which I no longer use because it's not available anywhere else
http://minuum.com/
These are the only two innovations in software keyboards I know of, and the latter is still based on qwerty. Stop thinking inside the box.
http://minuum.com/
These are the only two innovations in software keyboards I know of, and the latter is still based on qwerty. Stop thinking inside the box.
@Zergling_man @fribbledom while graffiti is imo a horrible idea, and it has no real advantage for the average user, minuum does look nice. But yeah, as a german speaker, only having the querty layout is a dealbreaker for me since I need äöü regularly.
@Riedler @fribbledom Handwriting input is actually pretty great. That graffiti could do with several improvements, and if I ever try android development again, an open-source clone of it will be my first project. Meantime I'll keep turning the problem over until I can figure out something better. eg. could https://orbitouch.com/ work in software?
silwol@fribbledom Heck yes! I really loved the haptics of the HTC G1 (aka Dream) in that regard. Got a Motorola Milestone after that, but it was much worse with the membrane keyboard. Since then I haven't seen any efforts into that direction that could convince me.
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Kube@fribbledom this never caught on but is a very neat compromise https://www.wired.com/2015/02/ipad-case-makes-buttons-magically-rise-keyboard/
Julie SqveakarooYeah... I resisted upgrading to a smartphone, in the first place, just to keep that tactile keyboard on the phone for as long as I could!
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The Ghost of Toots Passed@fribbledom
Planet computers cosmo might fit your bill
Planet computers cosmo might fit your bill
pfm 🧘 
@paulgatling @fribbledom I was also going to suggest looking for them. I was considering buying Gemini PDA myself. Here’s a list of devices.
Allusion@paulgatling @fribbledom I've got a Cosmo. Typing on it is a joy. Everything else is clunky and awkward.
Sir l33tname@fribbledom there is a case for the PinePhone https://www.notebookcheck.net/Pine64-s-new-keyboard-case-turns-the-PinePhone-into-a-pocketable-Linux-laptop.535230.0.html
Pine64's new keyboard case turns the PinePhone into a pocketable Linux laptop
Pine64 unveiled a new keyboard case for the PinePhone. While the pictures and videos do not show the case working at this point, they show the design of the case. The beveled keys and included 6000 mAh battery make the case thick, but it may present a convenient package for those in search of a small Linux laptop.
xiled@fribbledom
Check out the Unihertz Titan and the smaller Titan Pocket (coming soon).
https://www.unihertz.com/technical?product_id=3&form_key=YDHstK0cQf2N8LNP
YesBait@fribbledom ever considered a Cosmo Communicator?
Kazriko@yesbait @fribbledom Yeah, Planet Computers makes a few devices like this, including the Cosmo Communicator. https://planetcom.squarespace.com/device TCL also made some of these with keyboards under the Blackberry name.
Tᴀᴋᴀɴᴀsʜɪ Hᴏʀᴏ@fribbledom Like fxtec pro 1 or the unihertz keyboard phones?
Wilhelm Fitzpatrick@fribbledom I have an Fxtec Pro1 from 2019, but they've constantly had problems shipping in volume, and it looks like new production is stalled again until the middle of this year.
Anthony Martinez@fribbledom I just bring a mechanical keyboard everywhere I go. Everything else is trash anyway, and it doubles as a defensive tool since I can use it as a shield 🤷🏻♂️😂
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Steven Roose@fribbledom I loooooved my T-Mobile G1! If #HTC would make a successor to that phone, with the same keyboard, I'd need to have it. Imagine blind typing in your phone, that's what it did.
Al@fribbledom Planet Computers might be your thing. They did phone/PDAs inspirted by the Psion PDAs but the latest is a slide out keyboard phone.
manu@x00 Where do I find more about the slide-out version? It doesn’t seem to be officially available yet.
@c3manu Sorry! It was indigogo. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/astro-slide-5g-transformer#/
It is open to latecomers, but isn't available to purchase yet. They say June but I tend to expect slippage on these things
@x00 With their Gemini they were pretty punctual, iirc. I just want to know if they have a better keyboard now..
Michael@fribbledom have to admit I backed the latest Planet Computer one. Should be arriving sometime in summer I guess. Really miss my Motorola Photon Q..
Sebi ✓@das_aug @fribbledom I had my introduction to Android with a Milestone and it was the best device i ever owned for its time. To bad that there is no real qwertz Slider available anymore.
I considered a f(x)tec pro a long time, but they never delivered huge quantities of the devices and its to dangerous for me to buy in the uk after brexit with the history of this company (Moto Keyboard Mod).
Its easier to go for a Foldable by now but they are really expensive and only in there 1-2 generation :/
I considered a f(x)tec pro a long time, but they never delivered huge quantities of the devices and its to dangerous for me to buy in the uk after brexit with the history of this company (Moto Keyboard Mod).
Its easier to go for a Foldable by now but they are really expensive and only in there 1-2 generation :/
Jannis@fribbledom There _are_ tiny bluetooth keyboards you can use with any smartphone.
No, but yes, but no 🤣
Dan Jones (@I really like small Bluetooth keyboards, but for me, they have entirely different use cases.
A built-in keyboard is great for doing what I’m doing right at this moment. Quickly typing out messages is so much better on a physical keyboard on the device.
Small Bluetooth keyboards are great for doing a little bit of work on my phone in a pinch. I’ve used them before when I was out and I got a call or text about something urgent that needed done at work.
I would pull out my Bluetooth keyboard, set my phone up like a small monitor, log into my home computer, and do some work.
But if I had to do that just to type out some messages, it would be too onerous.
Yasha S.
Tango, The Wild Dream@fribbledom Three of these should help https://www.blackberry.com/us/en/products/devices
I got one of them. They're end-of-life tho, with no further security / Android patches.
ᴅɪᴏᴅᴇ@fribbledom i know what you mean. there are a few but i've hesitated to make the jump. anyway, i keep a list.
shipping:
https://store.planetcom.co.uk/
https://www.unihertz.com/titan.html
upcoming:
https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=13684
https://launch.unihertz.com/pages/titan-pocket
https://www.crowdsupply.com/sutajio-kosagi/precursor (though it'll need a tethered phone)
maybe:
https://www.pcmag.com/news/new-blackberry-with-keyboard-coming-in-2021
Magnar G. Johnsen@fribbledom https://store.fxtec.com/the-pro1-x-is-now-live-on-indiegogo/
It evencomes with @ubports and there will soon be a keyboard for the #pinephone
It evencomes with @ubports and there will soon be a keyboard for the #pinephone
The Pro1-X has launched on IndieGoGo. | F(x)tec
The Pro1-X, in partnership with XDA. We are super excited to announce that we have now officially launched our first ever IndieGoGo Campaign to bring you the keyboard smartphone that lets you choose both the hardware and the software. What an afternoon it has been! Thank you so much to everyone that has already shown […]
Elias Mårtenson@magnargj @fribbledom @ubports I recall someone proving that soft keyboards were faster to type on than hardware keyboards. The participants all had to write some sentence of text, and then timed them. The soft keyboard won.
Now of course, I don't think the users hadn't used hardware keyboards before. Also, they should have included some Unix commandline examples as well. I'm not sure the soft keyboard would have don't so well with the those.
@loke @fribbledom @ubports I think it is some sort of hacker fetish, personally I turn to my desktop if it is much more text than a toot or sms 😂
@magnargj @fribbledom @ubports sure. I don't deny it may be. But there are definitely a lot of small jobs I used to do using a terminal on the phone back when I hard work hardware keyboard which I simply don't do because typing Unicorn command on a soft keyboard is such a nightmare.
For typing regular text, like I am doing right now, the effectively speed is about the same, but that's just because the text prediction works reasonable well. However, typing on a soft keyboard takes a lot more mental effort than using a hardware keyboard.
Sven Hille@fribbledom Hardwarekeyboard istimmer besser. 👍
Benjamin@fribbledom blackberry is still around
Mr. Teatime@fribbledom
Wasn't there one recently with a slide-out keyboard? Or was that just a prototype?
I'd also like to ask for frames around the screen. Make it half a millimeter or less, just make sure the first thing that touches the floor when it falls is not glass. Having to buy extra protectors just to have a chance of not breaking it is so silly.
Oh and spyware. Maybe also not load it with software that exfiltrates all data by default? That'd be sweet!