muesli

Here's a short story:

A certain member of my local hackerspace runs a web-service that returns racist content and nazi-symbolism.

Member gets evicted from the hackerspace and his membership cancelled by democratic vote.

Member sues the hackerspace for public defamation.

Hackerspace is running break-even and can barely afford attorneys and legal advice.

I really, really need to contain myself at this point, but someone truly deserves a can of whoop-ass.

Nov 21, 2019 at 4:02pmWeb
Show threadgrinNov 21, 2019
@fribbledom I thought racist propaganda and hate speech are against the law in most countries.
Show threadmuesliNov 21, 2019

@grin

It most certainly is. It might as well backfire for him, but it could also destroy the entire hackerspace financially.

Show threadNamiNov 21, 2019
@fribbledom which country/jurisdiction?
Show threadNamiNov 21, 2019
@fribbledom there is probably an antifascist support structure for such cases.
Show threadmuesliNov 21, 2019

@compl4xx

Augsburg, Germany.

Show threadFrank NordNov 21, 2019
@fribbledom @compl4xx Do you have screenshots of the nazi stuff? Offer to mail it to the state attorney, if he doesn't leave you alone.
Show threadhagfish fancier v1.618Nov 21, 2019
@fribbledom ugh, for real
Show threadRopetopusNov 21, 2019
@fribbledom I hope your State has anti-SLAPP Laws. This seem tailor-made for them; winning an anti-SLAPP motion means recovering attorney's fees and everything
Show threadOld Fucking PunkNov 21, 2019
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Show threadRopetopusNov 22, 2019

@lwriemen @fribbledom sigh. This is just one long utopian fallacy. Things having problems or being abused mean they need to be improved, not reactionary-style axed. Where no anti-SLAPP exists, billionaires and corps love that *more* because they can use their deep pockets and frivolous lawsuits to silence opposition, which raises First Amendment issues

The cure has issues, but it's better than the disease

Show threadBeko Pharm (deprecated)Nov 21, 2019
@fribbledom This is where you reach for help.
Show threadAndré E. VeltstraNov 21, 2019
@fribbledom Disband.
Show threadMartinNov 21, 2019
@fribbledom Fucking hell
Show threadSandzwergNov 21, 2019
@fribbledom as you said this is in Germany: might want to get in contact regarding legal council with the CCC? Or offer a crowd founding option?
Show threadkikiNov 21, 2019
@sandzwerg @fribbledom I second the option of legal counsel. The CCC is quite wealthy and this is exactly a case that can benefit from that wealth.
Show threadKellyn DelgadoNov 21, 2019
@fribbledom Perhaps a whoop-ass milkshake is in order. lol
Show threadKit Rhett AultmanNov 21, 2019
@fribbledom I've got some whoop-ass to spare. How can I help?
Show threadsunfunNov 21, 2019
@fribbledom A popular legal strategy used by those with deep pockets is to sue someone and throw so much paperwork and continuations at them that they fold because of the expenses.
Show threadParnikkaporeNov 21, 2019

@sunfun @fribbledom see also: Patent trolls.

If I read correctly, those guys live entirely on (questionable) lawsuits.

Show threadJan KoekepanNov 21, 2019

@fribbledom Your immediate problem has a useful aspect: it can be solved with money.

Consider something like a gofundme or an indiegogo. There are a few people out there who aren't too keen on nazis, and may be willing to toss you a couple of bucks.

Show threadManilNov 22, 2019
@fribbledom Good to know that institutions can help 👍🏽
Show threadCarbonCatalystNov 22, 2019
@fribbledom
Sucks to hear. I wish you the best of luck and hopefully there's a easy way to get his case thrown out, before the costs grow too big.
Show threadHieronymusNov 22, 2019
@fribbledom @pandi Do we have an appropriate mechanism written in our #hackerspace #constitution for this kind of situation?
Show threadpndNov 22, 2019

@hieronymus @fribbledom

We keep our lawyer for this kind of problems. And he keeps the passwords to our servers...

You should know this ;)

Show threadLordMortisNov 23, 2019
@fribbledom thats some kind of... something something.